Participant comments from the survey ‘WAB courses for new drivers’ of 30 November 2012

The Swiss driving instructor comparison surveyed 1,710 learner drivers and new drivers on the subject of ‘WAB courses’.

Information on the survey can be found here: Survey WAB courses for new drivers

Comments from the participants

Way too expensive!!! Pure money rip-off!!! Rather only 1 day with the most necessary...but you should assume that you get everything important from a good driving instructor...expensive fun the ticket...

You should already know what you learn in the courses by the time you take your driving test and you forget it quickly anyway

Ah yes about the questionnaire, it's not about 700.- but rather 800.- (2Pa in Wohlen) I really hope that everything will be limited to one course day... In my eyes otherwise another unnecessary hurdle... But you always have the money in cash.

Basically it's a good thing. However, it is a partial repetition of the famous VKU. I think it's more important to gain practical experience, which is why I think the spin course makes a lot of sense. It would be best to complete the course during your driving training rather than afterwards. Because in 3 years you acquire your own driving style, which is not so easy to get rid of.

Second course completely unnecessary

I find the first course interesting and recommendable. The second course is absolutely unnecessary: first drive around the neighbourhood and THEN learn how to drive in an environmentally friendly way.... What a load of rubbish! In my opinion, it is very unnecessary to do an additional car journey and pollute the environment, because I see absolutely no benefit in it! At best, the second course should be offered to voluntary participants. In any case, I didn't learn anything on this second day of the course... However, I think it would be important for driving instructors to focus more specifically on the topic of environmentally friendly driving and to teach this to new drivers!

the two courses are just a money-making exercise. you already learn a lot with the driving instructor, so the two courses are unnecessary.

Skid courses and feedback on driving style make sense. But they could also be integrated into the driving test.

A proper skidding course would be necessary and good. Everything you learn on the course should already have been taught to you by the driving instructor. in theory, in the VKU and by the driving instructor you are always told the same thing. I've got it, let me invest my money wisely! Better introduce compulsory lessons for night driving and motorway driving during driver training. Or make such courses compulsory only for traffic offenders and not as a preventive ‘punishment’ against everyone!!!

The most unnecessary thing about the whole thing is that the course is totally overpriced

I would prefer two half days instead of two full days. However, the group size would then have to be somewhat smaller. The feedback from participants on both courses was very positive. The discussion about cancelling the course is therefore highly questionable.

All the course content mentioned above (accident risk analysis, etc.) is important, but most people don't seem to be aware of it. New drivers continue to drive straight away and some of the more experienced drivers seem not to be fully aware of the traffic rules (any more). The costs of the courses should be reduced and checks on more experienced drivers should be considered. However, it remains questionable whether the misbehaviour of many road users would change at all despite the many courses. After all, with a little common sense, there would be no need to invest an extra afternoon in educating people about the dangers of drugs and alcohol.

An absolute money-spinner. Students can't afford it. The topics have already been covered in the vku and practical driving lessons anyway.

I find the WAB course days completely unnecessary... You already learn everything about perfect emergency braking, alcohol & drugs at the wheel, environmentally friendly driving in the basic courses and road safety courses. You also take driving lessons to learn all this. And a reasonably sensible driving instructor who is not just out to make money. Teaches you all that stuff too.

I think the first day of the course makes sense, but it could be cheaper. You have to bring your own car, plus the cost of petrol on the premises and getting there. Ecological driving style can also be addressed during the 1st day.

I only attended the first course, voluntarily. The instructors made an effort, but they said a lot of things that went without saying, e.g. that it is dangerous to drive while stoned.

the course is far too overpriced! as an apprentice or student. almost no chance!!!(savings or for birth/ christmas)

As there is no pass or fail in the courses, many participants don't make an effort and don't listen. I think it would make more sense to integrate the lessons into traffic studies, for example.

Too expensive and pointless because you can't learn everything in a few days - you have to gain experience yourself

I think it's great that there's finally a survey like this! I think that in general the two WAB courses are very unnecessary and a lot of money is being spent on them in vain. Nowadays, despite the courses, there are still a lot of drunk drivers. A good alternative (as suggested above) would be to combine both courses and perhaps integrate them into the driving lesson. Whether or not you are or become a good driver does not depend on the two courses, but on your own responsibility, upbringing and the strictness of the laws if there is an accident or someone is driving drunk, etc.

New drivers and other interested parties should receive data on driving safety training courses. If they pass their driving test, for example, they can be given a voucher for a discount on a safety course on how to drive! And by the way, to minimise speeding accidents: The circuit ban in Switzerland should definitely be lifted and a top race track should be built/put back into operation. After all, driving a car is a luxury nowadays and that's why fun should not be neglected!

These courses are a rip-off. Either you can drive and pass the driving test, or you can't and fail. The experts could be obliged to test the things that are covered on the WAB course. Then these courses would no longer be necessar

I find it unnecessary, everything I learnt on the course I already knew myself, so I say common sense, I find it far too expensive and just 2 course days far too much.

The courses are very good, but too expensive! And I think you could shorten the courses!

The ecodrive course is completely unnecessary and annoying. And logically it's too expensive, especially if you don't have a car and have to pay an extra 80! Skidding course makes sense and is fun...

I think the first course makes sense. But I really don't think the second one is necessary.

I think the WAB courses are far too expensive because, firstly, they are compulsory and, secondly, they are organised using private cars. Basically, it's a good thing. I did the first WAB course, but what I found unnecessary was the in-depth information on alcohol and drugs at the wheel. Everyone knows that it is forbidden. Instead, people should be informed that driving with fog lights on in good weather conditions is a punishable offence and will result in a fine. It also dazzles oncoming drivers.

Normally I never fill in surveys like this, but this time it was important to me to save future generations from wasting money and time like this. I've only been on a WAB course and, despite my high intrinsic motivation, I didn't get anything out of the day. - Driving under the influence of addictive substances is bad: this was already part of the VKU and common sense - full braking and cornering: Part of driver training - Braking on a wet road: was also done during driver training and calculating the route was part of the theory test My conclusion: WAB courses should be optional or abolished altogether. However, I'm not confident that this will happen because a few people are making a lot of money out of it. It's a shame that this is mainly at the expense of students or trainees.

In my opinion, it's pure money-making. You learn to drive a car in theory and practice while you're still getting your driving licence. There are many people who don't drive a car for 5 years. If these people drive again, that's a danger. I'm 20 years old, already have the c1,c1e,b,b1e (d1,d1e is registered at 21) and already over 30' km and now I should pay chf 700 to listen to the whole thing for the 100th time? Abolish it immediately!

Courses absolutely superfluous, as the entire content is already taught or could be taught during the learning phase (with driving instructor) and the VKUs (which incidentally also cost!)! Pure money-making driving licence on probation makes sense.

An average of 25 driving lessons at CHF 90 each (Canton ZG) and then two refresher courses; that's an extremely high cost, especially for apprentices, students and young professionals - the ‘target audience’ for driver training. Of course I understand that people want to profit from the fact that, despite the prices, everyone wants/needs to get a driving licence (without being able to afford it). But that doesn't make it right.

First the price far too high. 2. the confirmation that you have completed both days of the course should be able to be sent in directly after attending the second day or be organised electronically straight away. This is a point that I find completely incomprehensible as to why it is regulated as it is now.

I find the WAB courses very informative and important. However, they are unnecessarily prolonged and could easily be shortened to one day. I also think it's a joke that you can only submit the permit for your definitive driving licence one month in advance and not immediately after completing the WAB course!

Massively too expensive!

I think the idea of WAB courses is a good one in itself, but as I understand it, the whole thing should be automatically integrated into the training before the test. Equally incomprehensible are the excessively high prices, which I find absolutely cheeky as you are forced to attend the courses. I also find it strange that there are large price fluctuations between the different providers. For me, it's pure money-making!

Prices for courses are exorbitantly expensive and could be combined much more quickly and in one course day, perhaps with only half the course participants or omitting unimportant things.

If you also have a great group on the two courses, then it's even more fun. The subject of alcohol should be covered more! I recently had a car accident on the island of Rügen. I was on the passenger side and a drunk driver was racing with 1.5 per mille alcohol and cannabis and rammed into us half-frontally in a bend at approx. 120 km/h...we were travelling at 80 km/h...the 300 overtook us in a bend at night and we were very lucky. Otherwise we used both courses because, depending on the driving instructor, we were able to correct our own uncertainties (e.g. on the three-peak course).

i would make the courses cheaper if you have to complete them in the 3 years! because not everyone has that much money to spare!

In the WAB courses, much of the VKU was repeated. It was more tedious and annoying than instructive. Topics were developed ‘interactively’ and in groups -> Absolutely unnecessary + time-consuming + little use! Would be enough if course contents were only briefly presented.

Courses are far too expensive!!!

The further training courses are unfortunately only intended for those who will hand in their driving licence after a week at the latest anyway because they have overestimated themselves. For those who always behave correctly and correctly assess dangerous situations, the CHF 700 is wasted money and time.

I think the driving test is very expensive as it is. However, the content of the WAB courses is interesting and important for everyday driving. I still remember them very well, even though it's been 2 years. The courses emphasise the danger that exists and di";

I think the probationary period is a good thing. However, I am of the opinion that the courses are not necessary for all new drivers. They do cost quite a lot of money. It also seems unrealistic to me to significantly improve driving style in two days. Ecological driving, analysing accident risks, distance and feedback on driving style should already be covered in the driving lessons anyway. That was certainly the case for me. Apart from the course content, which requires special equipment (ground that simulates snow, etc.), I wasn't taught anything new. I think the courses should only be compulsory for those who attract attention through multiple accidents, speeding, etc.

Money-making, the whole thing has nothing to do with a driving test.

The courses are extremely overpriced and not really useful. Most of it has already been covered in driving school, the theory is boring. The time required is also too high. You have to go during the holidays or take extra time off - and then you have to pay so much! In addition, studies have shown that the courses do not have the desired effect. The topics should be covered in the driving lessons/theory course before the test. Additional courses are just a rip-off - getting a driving licence is expensive enough as it is!!!?

Improve the content of the courses, I haven't heard many good things about them. Not the topics but how they are presented.

Course day 2 extremely unnecessary, as the journey takes place in a course car and not in your own, the student is frightened, confused and nervous. That was the case for me and other participants. Otherwise much too expensive. Course day 1 was still halfway okay.

In my opinion, the WAB courses are overpriced and generally too long. Just like the VKU and emergency helper course.

I think you learn the most important pubcts at the driving school or driving instructor. In my opinion, the courses are just a money-making exercise (coming with your own car or hiring an expensive car, you don't learn anything that you haven't been taught beforehand). It should be abolished!

1. a lot of theory was covered on the first course, which we had already been taught on the course we had to attend before the driving test. (That's why a lot of the statements ‘unnecessary’ and ‘not mandatory’) 2. on the point: environmentally friendly driving I think many people attend the last course as late as possible (as I know from my environment). After 3 years you have your ‘own driving style’. I think that most people are not prepared to give up their ‘own driving style’ afterwards and think back to this course. 3. furthermore, the Kruse are overpriced! The whole driving test etc. until you have the 3-year probationary period behind you is pure ‘money-making’.

I find these two WAB courses unnecessary. 1. they are too expensive 2. the WAB courses are boring and I think it's a shame that they are divided into two days. 3. most of the things we have already learnt and tested in the driving lessons, so I don't think these courses are NECESSARY. so many things have happened again such as (accidents, drink driving etc....)

The WAB actually repeats the essentials from the VKU course. The WAB courses don't actually help much, because you practise driving behaviour in someone else's car (usually your parents') and then later buy your own car, which requires a different level of sensitivity.

Everyone realises that alcohol and drugs have no place at the wheel. Why don't we require all drivers to take a drug test during their probationary period? Environmentally friendly driving doesn't help anyway because nobody sticks to it. Accident analysis and braking distance can also be analysed in the vku. The only thing I find useful is the skidding course.

The WAB courses should be abolished for people who get their driving licence after 25. Because these people only get their driving licence when they are out of the ‘critical age’. As these people have not taken their driving licence for 7 possible years, they often have no particular emotional connection to driving and therefore have a more sensible driving style. In addition, the WAB courses could also be a possible sanction for serious traffic offences during the probationary period.

I didn't take anything away from these courses and especially the 2nd one is pure money-making. If the authorities really want to keep this up, they should offer them for free! There are also enough older people who should finally have their licences revoked. I can also easily order any courses if I don't have to do them myself.

I found the course very interesting and informative, but the costs are totally exorbitant! For example, you could shorten the course to one day and charge CHF 350.

To be honest, I think it's cheeky of the majority of young people to demand so much money to obtain a driving licence. Of course, I appreciate the general emphasis placed on good driver training and the desire to ensure that everyone on the road knows what they are doing and what they have to do. But the way I experienced the VK, for example, you are generally given information and presented with some kind of risk warnings that any sane person would already know. In my opinion, after the theory test and the emergency driving course, the practical driving lessons are completely sufficient to be able to drive safely on the road. As the saying goes? - learning by doing!

i would have attended the skidding course privately without being forced to do so, as i think it makes sense. the second course seemed superfluous to me. in my opinion, ecological driving should be part of the basic training.

The WAB courses are far too expensive. Most new drivers are still in training, which makes it difficult to finance these two course days themselves. In addition, the second day of the course was extremely unnecessary.

We young people already pay enough for the theory test, the emergency aid, the vku and the driving lessons. I don't think the high price for these two courses is justified and I think they could be made into one course and the price reduced. Many colleagues have told me that they already knew most of the things before these two courses and had already learnt them in the driving lessons or VkU.

I think the first part of the WAB is important and also helpful for every new driver. However, the second part (eco-drive) is completely unnecessary because it doesn't help anyone and doesn't contribute to safety. It must also be said that the prices are totally exorbitant. The training alone costs a lot of money. Especially for young people who are not financed by their parents, the prices for the compulsory courses are almost unaffordable. This should be taken into consideration. Because it seems to be another way of taking money out of people's pockets.

the first course is halfway okay as far as the practical tasks are concerned. in my opinion, the second course is a bad joke. i don't think the course content really makes sense, and the implementation is also a disaster. and you still pay CHF 350 for it. the 1st course should be incorporated into the driving lessons and an information brochure would be enough for the content of the 2nd course or the course would be voluntary

I think people are exaggerating wildly about Jungle Ker - they're not all speeders or causing so many accidents, it's better to make others pay for it

The two-day courses are far too long, one would be enough. And I don't think the issue of alcohol and drugs at the wheel is unnecessary, because anyone with a bit of sense knows that. I think the braking distance/keeping your distance and environmentally friendly driving are two useful topics and should therefore be retained. Conclusion: For so much money, you simply get too little and have to take two days. That's asking too much.

we already receive the most important information in the driving lessons. the course makes perfect sense because careless, risk-averse drivers are taught again, but it's actually just a repidition. maybe it's not a bad idea to complete the course during the driving lessons.

I find the WAB courses very helpful. You repeat a lot of things from driving school and the VKU that have already been forgotten!

The prices of the WAB courses are too high. I think it's important to cover the topics. For me, however, the effects of drugs etc., driving on wet surfaces, driving without distance and driving at the wheel were clear (as they are to most new drivers). Integrating the first day of the course into the driving school at no extra cost would be the most effective in my opinion.

I think the WAB courses are unnecessary and just a money-making exercise.

As far as I'm concerned, the courses can be cancelled.

The first course still makes sense, but the second is unnecessary and a waste of money - totally unnecessary ... !!!!!

For 18 year olds, the probationary driving licence may still make sense, but at most I think it's just a money-making exercise! The system should be rethought.

The WAB courses are far too expensive and, in my opinion, unnecessary. It's more of a money-making exercise.

It's a must otherwise you lose your licence and I think that's totally wrong.

It may sound prejudiced, but I have experienced two types of drivers on both courses: - Drivers ‘like me’, who are naturally adapted drivers (I am married and have a young daughter) - The ‘young speeders’, who have already had to give up their driving licence on the second course and have been fined several times by the police In my opinion, the courses are not necessary for the first type - this is not to say that nothing is taught, but the ‘instructive content’ could easily fit into half a day. The second type will adapt during the course so that they are not sent home, but will not change their driving style before or after. I therefore think it makes a lot of sense to integrate the content of the two WABs into the driving school.

ANOTHER SOURCE OF INCOME!!!! A CHEEK !!! AS IF EVERYTHING RELATED TO THE VEHICLE ISN'T EXPENSIVE

The driving licence is already very expensive and with these additional courses you spend half a fortune - I think that's cheeky.

They should be voluntary but with a special reward for those who complete them. Driving is expensive enough and the courses don't really help much. Anyone who likes speeding and confuses the real road with video games will not become a model driver even after 10 courses. Everything that a driver must be able to do should be covered in the driving licence course.

I think these courses make sense, but I think it's cheeky to pay 700 for something that helps everyone.

The course prices are very expensive for most people because many of them are still in training.

In my opinion, the knowledge and skills that the learners want to be taught in these courses (which, according to the study by the bfu, is obviously useless) are topics that the driving instructor should already be teaching during the driving school period. In my opinion, these courses are pure rip-offs for young drivers, who already have to pay horrendous hourly driving prices! Abolish the courses!

Most of the topics covered by the WAB relate to common sense and a considerate driving style. The people who ultimately do not behave accordingly are neither impressed nor influenced by such a course. The WAB should be optional for inconspicuous drivers in the probationary period. Drivers who repeatedly attract negative attention during the probationary period should be reassessed with regard to their roadworthiness.

I think that as soon as you want to drive / drive a car, you know the rules and drive accordingly, etc. Money-grubbing!

how a car behaves when it breaks out, or how long the stopping distance is, are important and impressive findings. the rest is a dull repetition of the vku or driving school. 350.- per nose for approx. 8 hours of instruction with an assumed 10 course participants, from which a course instructor's salary of 100.- per hour and material costs of 15.- per course participant (summiti, notebook and pen) are deducted, leaving over 2500.- per day. i don't know how much it costs to maintain a driving course route, but i see these courses as a source of income for the road traffic office and hardly as support for me as a ‘new driver’!

WAB COURSES are generally fine, but the whole programme could easily be limited to one day. In addition, in my opinion such courses are money-making!!! The whole training programme up to passing the driving test is already very expensive! (What apprentices, students, pupils can't just pull out of the bag!) and then another 700 for WAB! Simply too much... One course is enough

Learning to drive is already very expensive. And then forcing these courses on young people is really unnecessary. At most, you could make the courses voluntary for those who are really interested, like the skidding course, which is already voluntary.

I think it's cheeky to make 2 course days compulsory and at the same time sell them at such a high price... What's more, they don't seem to bring anything and from what I've heard, they're not really instructive either... So I think the price-performance ratio is extremely skewed. If you can attend them, then they should be optional and also not be integrated into driving lessons! What else do the lessons cost so much for? Let people think for themselves and take responsibility. We'll go stupid if it goes on like this.

The costs of the courses are not compatible with the budgets of many young people!

I started with my driving licence and then stopped. Nevertheless, I think the WAB courses are too expensive - the driving lessons are already expensive enough. And whether it's any good is different - there used to be fewer courses and it was better than today.

I think it's basically right that drivers who behave inappropriately in traffic should have to complete such courses. However, not all new drivers should have to take part. The two days did nothing for me and did not influence or change my driving behaviour in any way.

The WAB courses are compulsory and the financial outlay is very high, especially for young new drivers. New drivers have to take the initiative to enrol for these courses, no invitation is sent out. You have to take a day off work/school/studies, and the additional fuel costs should not be underestimated. It would be a bit more transparent if these courses took place before the test, like the VKU and the emergency helper. The costs until you have your driving licence are very high, unfortunately not everyone can afford it. I liked the first WAB course, but it could have been done in half a day.

The first course is still understandable, but the second is really totally unnecessary - because in the end, practically no-one will drive in a more environmentally friendly way after this course alone. Most people do the courses because they are forced on us, and it's up to the driver to decide how to drive. In addition, the driving lessons are already quite expensive and there are additional costs that are exorbitantly high. It may be that we live in Switzerland, but that's not the only reason why these prices have to be so high!

I passed my driving test at the age of 60. I think that very good driving instructors are important before driving privately so that the wrong driving skills are not acquired. The WAB courses were very instructive and impressive for me, I always think back to them. I think they are important, because I also had short wings on my first solo journey!!! I think the prices are justified, because being a good driving instructor is not cheap either!

I think the content of the first day of the course is important, but it can also be done during basic training. Also, every car is different, which means that you may learn something about how the car you are currently driving (most people go with their parents' car because they don't have their own yet) reacts, but that changes from car to car. That's why I think the second day of the course is completely unnecessary, because you're supposed to show whether you drive in an environmentally conscious way in someone else's car. You can't do that as well as when you drive the car you know. What's more, it's simply a money-making exercise!

I certainly think the topic of alcohol and drugs at the wheel is important, but you'll probably hear it for the hundredth time on this course. And yet there are still people who don't keep their hands off it. So I don't know whether it makes sense to repeat and reiterate things in this course if there are still people (always the same people) for whom it doesn't help.

Nowadays, getting a driving licence is far too expensive. Apprentices can hardly afford it.

I think the costs are too high for such courses!

If WAB courses then much cheaper!

According to me, the second course is pointless. And both courses are so overpriced!!! They should be ashamed to charge so much for something that has turned out to be useless.

You should train even better for driving on snow. There should be a driving test every 5 years to check the driving ability of all road users!

Far too much attention is paid to new drivers and hardly any attention is paid to the ‘danger’ of pensioners. That is unfair. Both risk groups should be taken into account. The prices of the WAB courses are too expensive because many new drivers are still in training and hardly earn any money.

The first WAB course is absolutely recommended and necessary. Even for drivers who have held their licence for some time. The ecological driving course makes no sense if you don't drive your own car.

The useful content of the two WAB courses could be minimised to half a day (emergency braking, skidding). In addition, at least 90% of the theory is repetition from the driving school and the VKU.

Repetition promotes learning behaviour: It helps if you spend some time on driving every now and then. I also think it's important not to do the two courses immediately one after the other

I found the first course useful but very expensive.

Financial support for the course days! Subsidised by insurance or the state/canton

Important topics such as behaviour in dangerous situations such as skidding, evasive manoeuvres as well as driving style assessment, distance behaviour (with braking manoeuvres) should be retained. However, environmentally friendly driving behaviour should be practised by the driving instructor before the test. In addition, the WAB2 recommendation is set far too late. Both courses should be completed as quickly as possible (within a year), because after just one year your own driving style is already too well established -> almost no more changes are possible through any courses!!!

The course is actually quite good. I was particularly impressed by the topic of distance. However, I found the skidding tempting, before the course I was ‘afraid’ of skidding, but afterwards I really enjoyed it. It could encourage imitation.

Personally, I put off the courses as much as possible because I think they are too expensive and, according to the course participants, unnecessary. I've had my driving licence for almost 2 years and have never had any problems on the road.

the 1st day makes perfect sense. i have learnt a lot, especially about distance

I think the WAB courses are actually totally unnecessary. Because most young people don't believe the adults anyway or have to prove themselves and try things out. The first day of the course should actually be a bit of a look at the driving instructor and the second day doesn't need it anyway! What's more, the two courses are WAY TOO EXPENSIVE!!! So for me it's pure money-making!

From a scientific point of view, this survey is absolute rubbish and a farce. The results should be absolutely clear and make an analysis superfluous. Most of the questions are purely suggestive and the answers are undifferentiated. This survey does not fulfil the quality criteria in any way and will therefore not be taken seriously by any relevant body. What a pity!

Who can afford 700 francs for a course that they don't absolutely need???!!!!

The probationary licence makes sense, but further training should be on a voluntary basis. They are far too expensive!

i think it's a rip-off and a cheek. although there are many young drivers who cause accidents, we are only talking about them. if you have to attend such courses, they should be almost free of charge.

Driving training should only take place with a driving instructor and not with mum, dad or anyone else. It's no wonder that an above-average number of people don't pass the test or can't drive afterwards. You can offer as many courses as you like. It's better to learn properly once instead of spending money unnecessarily.

Hello If I could make a suggestion, I would shorten the theory a little and show more practical things like skidding courses and driving with distractions. I would also reduce the course to one day. Then the price can also be justified.

The WAB 1 was very useful and the price was absolutely justified. I learnt a lot and remembered a lot. WAB 2 was unnecessary, I didn't remember anything at all. 350 is too expensive for that. It would therefore be better to integrate it into WAB 1 or driver training.

The confirmation of participation should be sent to the road traffic office electronically and not in writing.

Most of the things you learn/repeat on the refresher courses are 90% the same as what you have already learnt from your driving instructor.

The WAB courses were not bad, but the theory part is very boring... Anyone with a bit of sense already knows all that... The practical exercises are good to show new drivers where and when dangers can occur. 700 for something like this is too much for something that is prescribed... If it's compulsory, it should have a price that everyone can afford!!! I know many people would now say that if you can afford a driving licence, then you can pay the 700. But there are young people who have a part-time job alongside their education to be able to afford it!!!

Some things are good to know, but you learn all this during your driving lessons. You don't need these extra courses for that.

90% of what we looked at in the WAB was already discussed in the driving lessons. The course is also far too expensive!

I don't think the content of the courses is bad per se. I found the practical exercise with the bends particularly impressive. However, I am a cautious driver and find it somewhat superfluous to be told or shown the same things over and over again. I also don't think the courses have the desired effect. Because everyone should have heard these things several times before and still don't stick to them. Like with alcohol, for example. Everyone knows the effects and yet unfortunately so many accidents happen because of alcohol. The theory blocks could be shortened on the first day of the course.

Courses far too expensive, most participants are in training at this time! Course content unnecessary, as these topics are already fully covered in the driving licence and driving lessons!

The courses are good. But much much much much much much much much much too expensive!!!!!!!!

Every opportunity to make the road and its users safer should be utilised. As a professional driver for many years (lorry, bus and car), I have seen pretty much everything that can go wrong, and not just from novice drivers.

Most new drivers are in their initial training. The costs are extremely expensive! Not enough with the driving instructor, test, emergency helper course and road safety lessons, but another 700 for both WAB!!! Young people should be accommodated a little.

People who have passed their driving test in summer should take an extra day of driving lessons in winter. There have been too many instances of uncertainty in the snow.

Everything you learn in these two courses you have already learnt before the practical test. I learnt practically or nothing new at all. I couldn't take anything new with me. If you have a reasonably good driving instructor, you learn everything beforehand. You also learn a lot in the VKU, which is useful. But now that you've definitely passed the test, you don't have to repeat it unnecessarily. That's just money-making. Nothing else, clearly.

i doubt the effect of the course. dealing with these topics on just one day at a time can definitely not have long-term effects, as people forget too quickly. the topics are certainly all important and useful - but this is the wrong way to teach them (think of the emergency helper course, and how much knowledge can still be recalled after a few years - nothing!) i think it makes more sense if this is already taught by the driving instructor. in addition, the courses are too expensive, as they are compulsory.

prices are overpriced, cost a lot of time.

I think that cautious new drivers who want to drive responsibly and correctly can learn a lot from the courses. New drivers who are less risk-conscious will not learn anything because they are not interested. I would therefore shorten the courses and integrate them into the training so that interested learner drivers can still benefit.

Some of the topics covered are important, but superfluous as you already know the content. Those who stick to it do so and the others will not change their driving style just because they pay 700 to hear again what they already know.

These courses don't help at all. They are just looking for another opportunity to extract even more money from new drivers. As if we weren't old enough to know about the taboo of alcohol and drugs at the wheel, for example, or the totally unnecessary topic of eco-driving. The whole thing is just a joke.

WAB courses are crucial because on these days you realise how many people still don't have their car under control and don't pay enough attention in traffic. The skidding course in particular makes sense, because I know many people who are afraid to drive in the rain or snow. You should overcome this fear. Because in an emergency you have to be prepared for any weather.

A large part of the theory in the WAB course was copied from the road safety course. Therefore I heard about 90% of the theory for the second time which was VERY boring!!!

I think the courses are absolutely overpriced! As a student, you don't have 700 euros to invest in these courses. You also learn how to brake fully and how to drive in an environmentally conscious way during the driving lesson. And you normally know about the dangers of drugs and alcohol at the age of 18 and if this is not the case, you will have been educated about it in the VKU. These are all important topics that are covered in the WAB courses, but if you have attended the emergency helper course, VKU and driving lessons, you already know about all the topics covered in the WAB courses. The WAB courses should be abolished!!!!!!

2 years on probation would be enough + possibly one more course.

Please keep up the courses! They bring a lot! You really get to know your car! They are just too expensive, the state can pay 50% if it wants to change something!

Change the content of both courses!!! Don't abolish them!!! A driving instructor has to do up to 9 days of further training within 5 years, depending on the category!!! And he doesn't learn much new!!! Are these courses also unnecessary or money-making??? The cost per day is up to CHF 1500.00!!! Everywhere you have to train yourself but not in driving, strange!!!?!! I don't want to fly with a pilot who got his licence 50 years ago, but no further training!!! We are all pilots, just in road traffic!!! By the way, I don't do WAB courses, precisely because I'm not convinced by these courses!!! In Switzerland there are such great TCS tracks where you could give super courses!!! Well, the whole discussion won't change anything!!!

WAB courses are totally unnecessary and far too expensive!

i haven't done a murs myself. however, i've heard from friends and acquaintances that they haven't learnt anything new during this course. people who had already experienced skidding before the course (snow, rain,...) say that imitating the murs is not a good idea! ) say that the imitation of this skidding in the course does not correspond to the real thing and therefore you don't really get any help for such situations. i find these courses extremely overpriced! in general, all the expenses up to the driving test + these two courses are a complete waste of money. i think it's a shame that people who may not have the financial means to do so have to do without them! I don't understand why we are shown such horrible pictures of car accidents, it only increases the fear and the desire to drive disappears more and more. i hope that this is not the goal!

It seems that a solution had to be found to minimise the increasing number of vehicles on Swiss roads. There should clearly be an increase in safety. But not with courses that are demonstrably useless. It would be better if courses such as a skidding course and a theory day on the topics mentioned were integrated into the training programme.

I think a skidding course makes sense, for example, but environmentally conscious driving is already taught during training. In addition, the whole car test with all the driving lessons and fees for licences is already expensive enough to take another course afterwards, which is not much use (in any case the second part). I think you can also discuss these things with your driving instructor, perhaps by way of explanation: I have brothers and sisters who have already done the whole course&it didn't do them any good.

i have category D and E, ADR and SDR training (military) and still have to do both courses. although i am allowed to drive explosives through the neighbourhood, they don't trust me to drive a car, simply ridiculous. It's also disrespectful towards young people. i've seen and still see older people on the road who don't behave themselves. they don't have to do the courses. it's also pointless that drink-driving is penalised differently depending on whether you're on your probationary period or not. you accept that others will be injured, probationary period or not. i find this behaviour disrespectful. especially if you believe the study and it doesn't even bring anything (except 700.- less in your wallet...). thanks for the survey ;)

The prices for the WAB courses are far too expensive in relation to the benefits of these courses. It's outrageous how much driver training costs in Switzerland!

The courses are far too expensive. An apprentice who has just passed their driving test is certainly not going to sign up for such a course straight away. We pay hundreds of francs to get through this test and then we are supposed to pay 700 for these courses. I think it's cheeky that these are still compulsory within 3 years. I think those who have just passed the test know best how to drive, there are others who need a course or renewal more urgently!!! It's not just the new drivers who mess up and a course like this won't help those who drive too fast or carelessly!

A good CHF350 per day with a trainer for 15 people and your own car is too expensive in my opinion.

I particularly like the part about driving in the wet, but...when I ask what I have to do if my car skids off, I don't get an answer! This is not part of the course (great). But it would have been important for me in the mountainous region, because you can sometimes slip if you drive at walking pace. Everything else is unnecessary and didn't help me. You learn the most when you need the car in everyday life!

The programmes would be superfluous with good training in the first phase. The only effective thing is the probationary period of 3 years. The fear of losing your licence if you misbehave could possibly influence your behaviour. These courses certainly don't have any effect on new drivers with a lack of judgement and are unnecessary for those with good judgement.

I didn't find the course day boring, but I've already done all this with my driving instructor and have already paid for it in that sense (emergency braking, ABS, slippery roads, etc.) And for me, things like no drugs at the wheel are simply a matter of course. If you don't know that, you won't do any better even after these courses. The costs were difficult for me to pay. I have an apprentice's wage and half of it was gone straight away. I have the following suggestions: Either the courses are voluntary, and the costs are also justified because you can decide for yourself whether the content taught is of any use to you. the second option would be to reduce the course costs by at least half. This has nothing to do with the fact that the instructors don't deserve the money, but for us as individuals, 700 is simply a lot of money! If it were less expensive, fewer people would complain.

1. earlier information would be more useful 2. the idea of the courses is not bad, but it needs to be implemented efficiently 3. young drivers who have to hand in their licence for three or more months soon after the test should attend another course. 4. in my opinion, the courses only make sense if the driver has a year of driving experience, because then he has already experienced and mastered a number of traffic situations. 5. in general, I think driving licence training is too expensive. Apprentices who have to have a driving licence can hardly afford the training. 6. in my opinion, too little is said about the technology and the engine of the car. Many people don't know what to do in the event of a breakdown, how to change tyres, why oil is needed, how to check the oil level or how to maintain a car. 7. meaningful survey

everyone should do this course, not just new drivers!!!

In my opinion, the first WAB course should definitely not be abolished. There are far too many drivers on the roads who are not at all aware of the dangers of their driving behaviour. I don't consider the second WAB course to be as important as the first, as I didn't benefit as much from the second day of the course. In any case, I would like to mention that it would be nice if the people in Bern would make up their minds. What have we all paid CHF 700.00 for if we realise afterwards that it has no effect?

I think the WAB courses are basically a good idea, but I don't see why they cost so much or why we should pay for everything ourselves. The training until you get your driving licence is expensive enough. I think 50% of the cost of this course should be covered by the state, because it should be maintained, but not be a financial burden for new drivers.

I think the WAB courses are useless where the problem lies. I personally found it interesting and instructive, but if someone has to show their colleagues that they are the coolest through risky driving behaviour, or allows themselves to be provoked in traffic, these courses are of no use, really no use. The topic was not really addressed. Although, in my opinion, it's the most important one of all. Young people should be taught strategies to avoid being provoked and to keep a cool head. Because this problem is not about knowing the rules, but about self-esteem, peer pressure or youthful exuberance, for example.

The topics of the courses were important, but they were too focussed on young people. A 40-year-old mum automatically drives differently than an 18-year-old boy. I felt out of place, I couldn't really express my concerns. As a non-native, I also have additional problems finding my way in a foreign area, and that while driving. I would have liked to have learnt to drive in a closed, safe environment, away from traffic. I was very afraid of the consequences of making a mistake. Very young drivers don't think that far ahead. Neither the learning to drive nor the courses were adapted to my situation. It was also assumed that I knew how the road signalling was constructed. I would have liked more theory about the signs and how to interpret them, but not while driving! You should also offer courses for middle-aged people, for non-natives.

It would be better to test drivers over 60 again. Some of them are not able to drive properly and have no idea of the traffic rules anyway.

All the topics I heard on the WAB course were discussed and analysed with my driving instructor and were also addressed and discussed in the VKU, so I didn't learn anything on this WAB day that I didn't already know. The course is far too expensive, especially for me as a student, I don't simply have 700 francs left over for the courses, which I consider unnecessary. I also often see older people than me on the roads who must have got their driving licence before the WAB courses and who drive more criminally or more dangerously than us ‘youngsters’, because they took their test longer ago and the rules are not as prescriptive as they are for us new drivers, as well as other topics from the VKU courses.

I already had my learner's licence years ago, so I don't have a probationary driving licence.

Most new drivers don't earn that much yet. That's why the courses are far too expensive! I also think it's cheeky that the courses are more expensive at weekends than during the week. After all, most people have to work during the week. So you have to take extra days off work for the courses. As far as the second day of the course is concerned, I think half a day is enough. I found the feedback on my own driving style very informative. However, the ecological driving in the simulator didn't help me at all. Perhaps it would be more useful with more real simulators.

I think the courses are generally good. Nevertheless, I keep hearing that the courses are too long and that these two courses could be shortened to a single day. The prices are also too high. I have to save up before I can do these courses. It can't be right that young drivers in particular (most of whom are still on apprentices' wages) are being ripped off like this. After all, it's for road safety, not for the five-course menu at the organisation's Christmas dinner!

WAB courses should not only be offered to new drivers, but also to drivers with ‘old’ licences to refresh their know-how.

In my opinion, this is pure money-making. My parents or all those who didn't have to do these courses can also drive.

The content of the courses is certainly useful to convey to new drivers. However, it is an absolute impertinence to take two extra days for this, which are also in such a high price segment that they are not reasonable for the young new drivers. In most cases, young people are in training or not even in training at the time they take their driving test. And the driving test is already a huge expense, which you first have to get used to. And then to find so much money for the courses is not easy for everyone. In my opinion, it's a rip-off.

Hello, I have only received negative feedback from many friends/relatives who have attended this course. In other words: it's too expensive/you learn things you already know/it's boring because you've already seen most of the things with the driving instructor...and many other things! I saw it as a rip-off when I was told that I had to do this course too! You do the emergency helper and the road safety course and now this! At that time I was an apprentice and didn't know where to get the money from, even now that I'm able to work it's not a matter of course to pay 700.-Fr just like that! ( If this course continues to exist anyway, I'd like to see it made cheaper for apprentices ) PS: I think it's a great thing that this survey has been started.

I think the spin course makes a lot of sense, but the second WAB course is unnecessary. The courses are far too expensive. Although I think the first WAB course makes sense, it's still just a money-making exercise and exaggerated to charge so much. Abolish the second course and offer the first one for around 100 francs.

To be honest, I think that firstly the courses are far too expensive, the normal driving school doesn't cost enough... And secondly, the second course is absolute rubbish, because how are you supposed to be able to drive ecologically in a car that you know absolutely nothing about? If you do, you should do it with your own car. But skidding and slippery roads are great to make you aware of the dimensions on the road.

1. as far as I've heard, the first day of the course is really just a repetition of what you've already learnt in the VKU. That's why I don't see the point of paying again for almost the same thing. In my eyes, it's just a rip-off. 2. the second course is not necessary, as you will drive the way you feel is right for you anyway, whether ecologically or not. I think these courses should be compulsory for those who have had negative experiences on the road, as repetition and instruction, regardless of whether they are new drivers or old hands!

I don't think the first course in particular is absolutely necessary, as a lot of the information is completely logical with common sense. I think the same about the VKU. In addition, the price is expensive, as many people are still in training or studying during these courses and can't easily afford them.

The problem with these courses is not the course itself, but the price! For someone in training, 750 Fr. is too much! It would also be much better to introduce this before you get your driving licence, where you have enough time to test yourself and are not under the watchful eye of people of the same age!

The 1st course makes perfect sense! The 2nd is absolute rubbish and also too expensive. Instead of blaming everything on young people, we should get the old ones off the road. Practically every dangerous overtaking manoeuvre only takes place because there are people who only drive 50 in the 80s. I've already had to overtake dangerously myself because an elderly gentleman thought he could still keep up in traffic at the age of 90! I would like to know how many accidents happen because such people are still allowed behind the wheel! Kind regards

As I am 19 years old myself and have a large circle of friends around the same age, I know how young people think. At the end of the day, everyone still drives the way they want to after the course. Whether they wear a seatbelt or not, whether they use a mobile phone or not, whether they drive 50 in 50 zones or not, etc. The young people attend the course, pay CHF 700 for nothing and get exactly NOTHING out of it after the course day. Above all, I think that a really correct driving instructor passes on the important information on the VKU. In addition, a driving instructor answers every question from a student, so there should be no more ambiguities. However, if there are, you can always ask an experienced person or contact the driving instructor directly. So mine wouldn't mind.

I think the driving instructors teach you a lot about these topics. You don't need these additional courses. Otherwise they could be kept much shorter. The costs are extremely high. CHF 5,000.00 is barely enough, if at all, for the entire exam. The courses can be repeated, possibly for older people. The learner drivers already have everything they need.

I find the WAB courses unnecessary because I've already gone through everything with my driving instructor. I've also already learnt how to drive in an environmentally friendly way with him. So why should I go through all this again? You can discuss and look at it just as well in the VKU course or during the driving lessons.

I'm a driving instructor, so these courses make perfect sense to me, considering that you can drive until you're 70 or even older. If you use it correctly, you can recoup the 700 loker. Thank you

Most of the time you just stand around on the course, and what you hear has already been covered in the VKU. It would make sense for eco-driving to be taught to drivers during their initial training and not just when they have been driving for 1-2 years...

In my opinion, it makes no sense to have a three-year probationary period for new drivers in the case of serious road traffic offences. Many new drivers wait until the end of the probationary period to take the two-day WAB course. This is because it is too expensive to repeat the course if your licence is cancelled or if the probationary period is required. I think the 2-day WAB course is too expensive and doesn't do much to prevent new drivers from having accidents.

A responsible driver learns nothing in either course that he does not already know or practice. Irresponsible drivers such as tailgaters, speeders and drivers under the influence of drugs learn nothing because they don't want to learn anything or forget it immediately.

The green L should not only be on the driving licence but also on the car so that you know immediately that you are a new driver (similar to the A in France) Compulsory course not only for new drivers but also for older drivers!!!

All the topics of the WAB courses should (and will?) be covered during basic training. Afterwards, they must be implemented. Some of the topics are banal and self-evident, such as alcohol and drugs. Important to mention in terms of prevention, but an extra course for this is exaggerated, because no child knows the consequences of misuse.

Unfortunately, the two WAB courses are not much use for ‘budding speeders’ either.

The WAB course content is already covered in the theory course during driver training. That's why I find it unnecessary that the WAB courses are compulsory and also so miserably expensive.

The possible answers are too limited. Unfortunately, it's difficult to say exactly what you think

Hello 1. I think it's an absolute mess that people who have already had a learner's licence and are now applying for it again don't have to do the courses. These are exactly the people who need it!!! I know a few examples... 2. there are quite a few long-time drivers who have no idea how to drive properly, I'm talking about driving roundabouts (those who signal when entering instead of exiting, for example), those who don't understand the purpose of the acceleration lane on motorway entrances, those who think they can still drive after a joint and 2 litres of beer etc. etc... I feel like I'm being taken for a ride because I consistently stick to it, either I drink OR I drive and I have to do these expensive, boring courses? 3. there is nothing wrong with a course in principle, but it should be compulsory for EVERYONE and not just for those who apply for a learner's licence after a certain year. If these courses were to be abolished again, I would feel totally cheated! I've only done the first one so far (the 2nd will follow the Saturday after next) and it was boring as hell. Luckily I can now do the second one with a colleague. 4. in my opinion, anyone who lets their learner's licence expire at the second attempt should have to give it up; those who do manage to pass at some point with a lot of luck (as we all know, the stupid are always lucky) simply don't belong on the road! 5. there should be a lot more controls on cannabis driving, I know a few examples of people who regularly smoke weed and then get in the car! Yes, you could only prove it in the blood...if you smoke pot, you don't belong on the road (at least not as a driver)!

I find the additional, compulsory courses pointless, as all the topics are already discussed and practised during driver training. These courses are just ‘money-making’, because if it weren't for this, the compulsory courses would be abolished and instead a pure, financially supported driver safety training course would be offered, which lasts a maximum of 1 day. This can also be completed before the driving test. The ADAC in Germany, which offers this training at low cost on a voluntary basis, would be a good example. The response is great and the success proves this method right.

In principle, the WAB courses are a good thing, but 1. they should not be so expensive (where am I supposed to get this extra money from as a student?!) and 2. such courses should not only be compulsory for new drivers, but above all for drivers who have been driving for 10, 20 or 30 years.

It's nice that some people have finally realised how pointless the WAB courses are. It's just a money-grab! I think it's time to introduce a WAB course for older people behind the wheel. After all, they are the most dangerous drivers.

As I said, I think the content of the WAB courses is fundamentally important (although some of it could be cancelled as it is already part of the training, see above). However, I have heard from many colleagues that the theoretical content could be taught in a maximum of 2 hours. As a student, it is difficult for me not to go to university for two days during the week, as I miss out on important things there (definitely more important things than the content of the WAB courses) and I work at the weekend. A two-hour course in the evening would be appropriate and feasible for everyone. I also think the price is completely exorbitant! The driving test alone costs an insane amount of money and for students (or young people who are still in training) 700 francs is a lot of money. I wonder what kind of training these people have that they can charge 350 francs per person for a day's training (and not very complicated training, I could probably teach the content myself if I had to). And you can't choose whether you want to do the courses: if you want to drive, you have to! This system makes such exorbitant prices possible in the first place. As I said, I think it's important that young drivers know all these things so that they can drive safely, but 1. not for this price and 2. not by sacrificing two whole days.

Especially showing accident situations is important!

I think the first day of the course is superfluous, as the Vku covers the same topics. However, I think the second day, with the practical stuff, is very useful.

the course days cost a lot! too much! certain topics are certainly useful, but being in fear of losing your driving licence for 3 years also means being insecure, because it means that you are not trusted. it's not exactly a sign of trust in the driving instructor either. the whole training course is far too expensive for normal earners and you have to repeat certain topics so often that you just think ‘yes, i know’.

Just because a few young people have not behaved correctly, everyone is penalised with such courses and probationary periods...that is absolutely unfair! There are also people who appreciate owning a car and would never (as a driver) drink alcohol or deliberately drive too fast or expose other people to danger! Probationary periods should be shortened or only used for the ‘right’ people. Plus: You have many friends who drive or behave EXACTLY the same way after the WAB courses as they did before the courses... So in my opinion, such a course doesn't really change driving/behaviour. It only causes costs...

I was enthusiastic about the first day of the course. The practical implementation was entertaining, informative and varied. Unfortunately, I can't say the same about the second day of the course! Too much theory, strangers who are supposed to assess your driving style (and don't want to do it themselves) and the whole thing is really expensive.

I think the whole fuss until you finally have your driving licence ‘finally’ in your hands is already time-consuming enough and as a new driver you are only ripped off during the entire training and trial phase anyway. The aim of this constant tightening up of the driving school should actually be to ‘screen out’ dangerous speeders. However, I think that no matter how pedantically you design the driving school, the risk that one day someone will stumble along drunk at the wheel after a bad day or speed down the motorway like a madman can never be completely eliminated. So my conclusion is that the penalties for speeding and drink-driving should be tweaked rather than lumping all new drivers together and putting them through this endless perpetual motion machine of rip-offs!

It would simply be important to divide the courses up better in terms of time, i.e. the first course at the earliest 3 months after the PP and at the latest 6 months after the PP. The second part a year later. More profit from the course! In every profession you have to do further training and everyone makes an effort, so why don't you actively take part in these course days? The driving licence is a gift for life.

It's just very inconvenient with the extra course days... and not every student can afford it.

I loved the first day. The second was very drawn out and just had to be sat through. On the second course, I found it a bit unrealistic to let the car roll out. On a busy road, I was obstructing the other cars.

the courses make sense, especially the practical parts. i think handling the vehicle in extreme situations is extremely important! this should be extended even further at the expense of theory! the costs are simply horrendous! it's not acceptable that only the rich can afford the car test.

The accident rate should be reduced and the WAB courses contribute to this. Environmentally friendly, economical driving is very important today, and you also learn this on the WAB course. It makes no sense to discuss abolishing these courses - they should be expanded.

I think the WAB course generally makes sense and I think you can also learn a lot as a novice driver. However, I think the price is outrageous. Apart from the expensive driving lessons and other fees to obtain the licence, we have to pay another 700 for this course. These are young people, many of whom don't even earn their own money yet... paying this 700 is not only almost impossible for some, but in my case, for example, it's also very, very demotivating and for me it's just money-making.

The topics covered in the courses are already covered in the VKU. They are also far too expensive. Your wallet is already suffering enough for the test and driving lessons. If a course is necessary, then it should be before the test, and with meaningful content, such as vehicle behaviour in difficult conditions and only practical application

New drivers are generally rather young and are still in training or are just completing it. The budget is therefore fairly limited. Even learning to drive is very expensive (you still need a car afterwards, by the way). And as soon as you've managed it, you're supposed to invest CHF 700 plus two days off to attend a course that the state demands? I find that totally cheeky.

The first driving course was very interesting and helpful, the second is crap! And it costs too much!

They could add it to the test, by that I mean if someone is going to take the car test it should be included.

Courses are basically good, but too expensive, especially because it's 2 days. There are many repetitions of the VKU.

I think the second course is unnecessary. Nowadays you learn how to drive economically from the driving instructor.

I was always a person who didn't like courses and such, but I found the two Wab courses very helpful and made me even more attentive, but I find that many long-time drivers drive as if they were disabled, most of them can't drive, why don't you train them? My boyfriend is a chauffeur and thinks I drive better than many others, I have foresight and am careful and my reflexes are very strong, but there are always complications because of others and I don't think they are beginners, they are the ones who have forgotten how to drive or are reckless! I think the Wab courses are important, but then for everyone...and a refresher on the Verkers rules ;) I think the 3 year probationary period puts a lot of pressure on some people, but I'm planning to train as a driver and I have to wait another 2 years for that...

Most of the topics covered in the WAB course must (or should) have already been learnt from a good, reputable driving instructor during training! I think a skidding course makes sense as a compulsory course after the test.

WAB courses are part of safety. I think a) they should be reasonably priced (subsidised by all insurance companies and the federal government (accident prevention)). and b) they should be compulsory every 10 years for existing motorcyclists/car drivers, just like community service - very cheap - current economic situation.

WAB 1 absolutely essential. WAB 2 superfluous, as ECO Drive is part of driver training. WAB 1 should be mandatory for every change of vehicle.

If professional drivers have to undergo further training, then all road users with motorised vehicles should also have to do so for the sake of road safety.

Much of what is discussed in these courses you have already heard from the driving instructor!

I think the price is simply too high for young people. I think it would be much better if the courses were integrated into the driving licence and the price calculation was included in the driving lessons instead of being added on.

As I am yet to complete my first 5th driving lesson, I am good at driving.

The answers to question 9 refer not least to my age group (born in 1969). Analogue e.g. to the road safety course, which was an absolute joke for me as a visitor, as it was aimed at hormone-driven teenagers in a speeding frenzy who wanted to impress their colleagues with their car and driving style. The ‘Ronald the Speeder’ film from this is a good example... Sorry, older new drivers are in a completely different place. It's just embarrassing for someone like me. Differentiate!

I see the problem more in differentiating between the people who need such courses and the (vast) rest. Decision-makers and legitimisation are difficult topics.

The courses are not useful for people who are not interested or don't care. You can explain it to them 1000 times, they just won't listen. The course is still useful for someone who doesn't drive much, because you can practise things that don't happen every day.

I had an accident in which I was 100% innocent. Nevertheless, I was extremely worried about my ‘ticket’. That really doesn't have to be the case.

i think the information on the first day of the course is particularly important, but the most important of them could easily be passed on in driving lessons (e.g. if you skid, don't steer against it but simply brake, insurance recourse is already covered in the vku, distance illustration in the course was helpful, but otherwise a lot of blah blah blah, courses for people in training/students are simply far too expensive - another solution is needed! integration into driving school lessons only makes sense if it is checked whether it is carried out seriously. i have heard that the 2nd course is boring and in principle does not bring much, because your own driving time is rather short, as you are still driving with others. (environmentally conscious driving could be shown briefly in the driving school lessons and then applied later as required) alternative: maybe 1 year after the test another (2-)4 compulsory driving lessons with the driving instructor where everything (content of the courses) is shown? better, because individual lessons and not as expensive as the 2 courses - would probably be just as useful

Of course, the topics covered are important. But I think the courses are overpriced for the fact that they are already covered during driving school and/or in the VKU. Nevertheless, I don't think the compulsory further training courses are unnecessary. It certainly makes sense to be reminded of some things. But as already mentioned, 700 for two days is too much.

the question is how a student is supposed to scrape together the 700 francs.

The course should offer more incentives to be taken. On the one hand, facilities and courses should be subsidised; on the other hand, car insurance companies could perhaps also offer incentives, for example by reducing premiums or becoming sponsors of the facilities, because a trained driver costs the insurance company less.

The instructors drive sports cars themselves, for example BMW 1 Series M or Mustang with 5 litre displacement ..... So you want to teach us to drive more economically? That's just a joke!

In my opinion, it's just a money-making exercise. In the VKU, topics such as braking distance, alcohol, drugs etc. are covered.

The two course days are far too expensive for what you have already learnt during your training. Nevertheless, you get to know your own car better in the first part, which makes sense to me. The price limit for both courses would be around 150 for me. Anything above that is simply far too much, as you have to attend the courses!

I'm in favour of abolishing the course days or at most having one course day by shortening and combining everything. You can't apply what you've learnt (e.g. keeping your distance) because everyone else, including older drivers, doesn't do it and the rest you've heard or done before (emergency braking, alcohol and drugs at the wheel).

So I think the first course is really very good. But the second one is far too expensive and doesn't help... :)

In principle, the courses are not too expensive. However, as most of the people who attend these courses are still in training, they are very expensive (700 = almost a month's wages for an apprentice). I don't really like the probationary period, as new drivers are always under pressure not to make any mistakes, otherwise they lose their licence. There should also be more courses and probationary periods for ‘old’ drivers. Because 80-year-olds are also a danger on the road. Not just us young ones!

It is certainly better if the WAB days are integrated into driver training, as you are still involved. Otherwise, the likelihood that the courses will be forgotten (because you are abroad) is too great and it is extremely annoying if you miss the deadline. Then there are the high costs, which don't get any less with time... getting your licence is exhausting these days... there's no room left for driving pleasure. What a pity.

The content may be useful, but I've heard a lot of feedback from graduates who felt it was unnecessarily drawn out. You should take out the essentials and perhaps do a half-day course at most. Driving style feedback should be voluntary!

I think it's cheeky to charge 700 for the wap courses for what they offer!

All the content of the WAB courses is already covered during the driving lessons and in the road safety lessons. I find it completely unnecessary to spend another 700 francs on such courses. Therefore, only people who do not behave properly in road traffic - e.g. driving under the influence of alcohol, being involved in accidents, etc. - should be forced to do so. But: NOT compulsory for everyone!!!

In my opinion, the probationary period is unnecessary, as the licence should/will be cancelled anyway for serious offences. In addition, I think the above-mentioned contents of driver training are fundamentally important, but it doesn't help to learn how to deal with alcohol and drugs and then not comply with it in real life, as you can see. Everyone knows that you shouldn't drive drunk or high, but it's an individual's decision to do so anyway. Further information usually doesn't help much. I think it would be best to shorten the WAB courses and integrate them into driver training. After all, it's a pain when you finally get your long-awaited driving licence and you know that you haven't finished your entire training yet.

I find the first day of the course helpful and you learn how the car behaves in extreme situations. The problem, however, is that the course day is far too expensive. As a student, I almost can't afford both days of the course, especially after you have already paid for the expensive driving training. I can understand that the organisers of this course have to live off this money, but as the course is compulsory, the price should definitely be lowered!!!! I think that would also increase the motivation for new drivers.

The courses are compulsory. That's why I think it's cheeky that the courses are so expensive (for the first one you even go in your own car)! Not everyone can attend courses for 700 after the test!

3 years probationary period is too long. 1 year would have been enough. In addition, older people should be trained for today's roads, because some of them drive extremely dangerously.

WAB are a cheek. You have to pay over 600 francs, stay away from work for 2 days and you don't learn anything new at all. I think it's a rip-off of young drivers.

I'm from Mexico City and have been driving for almost 30 years. Nevertheless, my driving course in Switzerland gave me helpful tips specifically for driving in Switzerland.

I don't think WAB courses are totally unnecessary, but you can do it differently. Practical learning rather than just theory. Unfortunately, I find the courses very expensive. Why can't WAB courses simply be included in the driving lesson? The driver learns the most important things and can also save money. I think we just do too much unnecessary theory. But you learn everything during the practical part.

With regard to point 9, you are already sensitised in the vku and by the driving instructor! so I think it's unnecessary to spend so much money to hear that. a voluntary skidding course is fun, why not?

If you have to, then I would only consider one course, the first one, as compulsory. Many topics are already covered in the VKU, which is why not all topics need to be repeated. I think the practical parts, i.e. emergency braking and skidding course, are important as they can prevent accidents.

Skidding courses should be compulsory with a bit of theory and a lot of practice. above all, the practice is important to get to know the vehicle at the limit. this is the only way to get a feeling for how to react correctly in a critical situation. i have completed the course required for a racing licence myself, but i still want to attend one specifically for drifting because it's really useful for me. knowing how the car behaves in and above the limit = safe driving in critical situations!

As a motorbike rider in cat. A1 (50cc) motorbike rider, I have completed the VKU course and this course is about the same things as the WAB courses. To be honest, I don't feel like listening to everything again when I'm 18 years old and driving a car. Besides, I think 700 is far too expensive! Just recently they reported in the newspaper that fewer and fewer young people want to take the driving test because it's too expensive. Now I understand why. Not every young person can simply afford 700 for a course... Kind regards

I've only done the first course so far, so I can't say anything about eco-driving yet, but I think this course will also be useful. I think it's right and important that new drivers have to do these courses, but I think the courses are far too expensive. I realise that this pays for the staff etc., but it is compulsory for us and we new drivers should be accommodated a little. In the first course, I find it sometimes too lengthy in terms of theory. Personally, I'm a practical person and I found driving on the practice course much more instructive than the theory alone. I'm curious to see what awaits me in the 2nd part ;-)

The course price is too high.

I think the courses are basically good, but I would like to be able to decide for myself whether I want to spend CHF 800 on these further training courses. So either do it voluntarily, or at a much lower price!

I think it would make more sense to do a course like the TCS skidding course instead of the skidding courses that are only briefly covered and experienced

I've only had my driving licence for 2 months and haven't done the WAB courses yet. But I think these courses are good. Everything you learn there is very important, and I also think it's good that you get feedback on your own driving style. But there are probably a lot of people who maintain their own, sometimes dangerous, driving style despite these courses. On the courses you can refresh everything you learnt during the driving test. But I think many people see these courses as pointless. I see them as an opportunity. Everyone is responsible for their own behaviour on the road, and I think that whether these courses exist or not, many people still just drive the way they want to. Perhaps these people should be penalised more severely, that would probably achieve more.

I think the courses are unnecessary, for me it's just a money-making exercise. People no longer knew what else they could do to make money, which is why these courses were created. In the end, everyone earned the exam with hard work, nobody bought it, the experts should already know who to give the exam to and who not.

I think the skidding course is important and should be maintained. Everything else is already discussed in the VKU or the driving lessons, and it makes no sense to pay money for it again. Environmentally friendly driving is already taught in the driving lessons, and information about your own driving style can be learnt very quickly from family and friends - so the second day of the course is completely useless, and only acts as a money-making exercise for the instructors.

Most people who want to take the driving test and this course are in training and there is not enough money to complete it within a certain time frame. The examiners have become stricter in the driving tests, not because they are picky or fussy, but because they fail most of the tests for the smallest of reasons and thus rip off money from us. NOT FAIR!!!

The car test is there so that the expert can check whether you have mastered the car. Therefore, after passing the test you are able to do so!!! These rubbish courses only spread resentment among all new drivers, and these ‘courses’ were introduced just like that, which is not exactly democratic. Money-making and that's that! Anyone who says otherwise is, in my opinion, a stupid, immature person who has no idea how the world works. Enough with these unnecessary ‘courses’!!!!

The two course days cover important topics, but the benefits are short-lived. What's more, driver training alone is very expensive before you get your licence, which is why the two-phase course is an additional burden for students and trainees.

I think the traffic studies are completely sufficient. You should spend 1 to 2 years on the road with your driving instructor to get used to different road situations.

The WAB courses are absolutely overpriced. As you already have to take the theory test, traffic studies, a lot of driving lessons and the test itself and, above all, pay for it (which is anything but cheap (for a mostly low wage)), it is not easy for everyone to pay for these additional courses as well. I am in favour of reducing the courses to one day and thus lowering the costs. It is also more important to be prepared for different situations in everyday life (e.g. wet surfaces etc.) than to save a little petrol (don't neglect it but focus on safety). The courses could be made more interesting (from what I've already heard). More practice and away from the classroom! Learning by doing! The theory is probably slept through rather than understood. Integration into the driving school is also a possibility and this could firstly be checked during the test and secondly you don't have to take a day (or currently even two!) off work for this (another reason to shorten the days, it's our holiday days that we have to sacrifice). If all this doesn't seem enough for you and you would like to take more courses, you can do this at the TCS (with high standards), for example, and improve your driving skills. But we are no longer small children. There are already enough laws that take away our ‘freedom’! Hopefully this nonsense will be revised soon. Kind regards Future bored WAB course participant.

Offer a course for just one more day. Include the most important things from the 1st course. I got a lot out of it. However, this should be voluntary. The 2nd course is already very unnecessary...

The first day of the course is not bad and makes sense. It makes you aware of the problem. But the question is how long. After one Monday you've forgotten most of it anyway. The first day of the course could be shortened. The second course seems unnecessary. The course costs are far too high!!!!

Question 9: Skidding course in wet and slippery conditions: Would be great and useful if you were allowed to skid around as well. When I was on the course, the instructors said that we were no longer allowed to skid because the risk of accidents was too high! What's the point of this important exercise? It's a real shame.

I think the idea of the WAB courses is really good. I've had my driving licence (on probation) for almost a year and attended the first of the courses and found it useful. I think it's good that the courses should only be taken once you already have your licence, because then you're on your own and I think you pay more attention and are more interested than if you also have to take these courses in order to take the driving test. Because then it's still such a ‘must’ and the attention and impact would be much smaller in my opinion! I think the probationary licence is basically a good idea, because then it seems more valuable and you make more effort to keep it.

I think the WAB courses make sense in principle, but a lot of things are dragged out on these days. I think you could teach the content of both courses in one day.

I think all of this should be integrated into the driving test. Without additional costs, because the whole thing really costs enough.

I think it's far too expensive for young people who are mostly still in training! I also find the 2nd day very unnecessary

Abolish the probationary period and WAB courses.

The most important topics are already discussed in the obligatory VKU (accident risks, alcohol and drugs at the wheel, braking distance theory) and later practised during the driving lessons (full braking, distance keeping, environmentally friendly driving, feedback on driving style). I find the courses after passing the test to be harassment and far too expensive. I very much doubt that this is an effective measure to actually reduce the risk of accidents among young drivers.

Incorporate the information taught on the course days into the theory test.

The topics of the WAB courses are ok, even if some of them are repetitive! However, the duration (2 x 9h) and above all the costs are beyond and an absolute cheek!!!

The WAB courses should not be abolished, but changes are necessary. Especially on the first day, it is unacceptable that participants are only allowed to use the wet track once because it is too expensive to operate the facility. The point is to apply the theory and learn from mistakes so that you know how to behave correctly on the road. In general: too much theory, too little practice... (Perhaps people would be prepared to pay more for the courses if there was more practice).

I think there should be tougher penalties for driving incorrectly, whether during the probationary period or not. Because as a new driver, I tend to see myself as a cautious driver (this doesn't apply to everyone, of course), and overestimating yourself can also come afterwards if you rely on your (possibly many years of) experience... Harsher penalties for misbehaviour hurt those who misbehave. Especially in situations where others are endangered (no parking or anything like that).

The problem with WAB courses is the cost. I'm happy about the offer, but please make it voluntary! (unmotivated participants don't learn anything anyway and are just a nuisance).

3 years is definitely too much max 2 years would be enough or, as in the past, no probationary period at all

I don't think the courses are a bad idea in principle, they are just far too expensive, especially for students who simply don't earn any money.

My opinion is that the courses are an absolute money-making exercise. The spin course is ok, why not? It helps some people and for some it's absolutely unnecessary. But the second course is almost a cheek that the course is compulsory... My idea would be to do the practical test and the expert can use his experience to decide whether it is necessary or voluntary. Thank you

-The courses are totally overpriced -An introductory round lasting over an hour is a waste of time -On the 2nd day of the course we had to drive around the neighbourhood pointlessly (!) and take a little coffee break, for which I even had to pay 350.

In my opinion, two-day, expensive courses are not the solution to road traffic problems. The driving tests are too easy, they should be more comprehensive and more complex for the learner driver. The courses are too expensive for students, although I am not against the idea of additional courses - these should be voluntary in any case. Driving licence suspensions should be used more effectively for certain offences and represent a real threat to the unteachable. Driving must become more expensive, and vehicles must become slower and more economical - or with alternative drive systems to the petrol engine. The status of a vehicle must change, more responsibility must be taken, a compulsory course does nothing to change an irresponsible attitude.

It's all about the money. New jobs are being created at the expense of car drivers.

most of the topics in wab 1 are just a repetition of the theory test and the vku. and many practical exercises are already covered by the driving instructor before the driving test. i think paying 400 for that is a rip-off!!! you should learn to drift, to control situations that could cause an accident, to learn how a car reacts to different physical forces. where else should you learn that? every second person reacts wrongly and gets scared when the rear end suddenly breaks out and the car slides around in the neighbourhood!

The first Wab course was really worthwhile, I always think about that when I'm driving. Especially when it comes to distance, driving in wet conditions, etc. - I always remember the impressive exercises. I found the second Wab course totally unnecessary. I had already learnt all this in the driving lessons (you could tell, I was the most ecological driver on the course right from the start - the others had never heard of it). Unnecessary - because the topic COULD be covered well enough in the driving lessons. I thought it was great to drive the same route twice and see the difference in how ecologically you drove (with this device that records everything) - but couldn't that also be built into the lessons??... besides, the 2nd course is WAY too expensive! You leave enough money lying around until you have the definitive licence...

Well, I've already done both courses and I have to say they didn't help me at all. They cost me a fortune and wasted 2 days of my holiday. The first one was ok, although I would have preferred to see a video showing how much the car breaks out, because I can't see that in the car. The second one was really nothing. Sitting in the car for half a day doing nothing and paying 350 francs for it is really out of the question. I also think it's pure harassment of new drivers. It would be better to introduce older drivers to the new traffic rules, such as two-lane roundabouts, etc. Apart from that, I think it's just stupid that you can't send in the course confirmation when you've completed it, but have to remember the exact date when you can send it in. So that's it, have a nice day.

I think it would be better if you only had to do the courses if, for example, you caused an accident, were driving under the influence of alcohol, were speeding or had shown through other offences that you need the course content.

I find these courses unsatisfactory and stupid. It would be better to oblige all road users to have their driving style checked by a driving instructor every 3-5 years. These two courses did nothing for me

You have to spend two full days plus a large sum of money on these WAB courses. Nevertheless, I find that the two courses are very useful and can also prevent accidents. I often think back to the valuable course content when I'm driving.

The course costs are excessive for a young person who is still in training. In addition, many theoretical topics are covered in the VKU.

The courses are a pure money-making exercise

The wab courses were only introduced to make even more money! All my friends and acquaintances who have already attended the two wab courses find it totally unnecessary and exaggerated! The first course, which is about skidding in the wet, could (not necessarily) be included in the driving lessons! But the second course, which is about ecological driving, is just a money-making exercise and a cheek on the part of the federal office!

The paperwork and the costs are unbelievable!

I find these courses extremely unimportant because many of the new drivers only complete the courses in the last year, i.e. when they have already learnt everything. In 2 years you will have learnt everything you need to know on the course by yourself. The driving test itself is already expensive enough and the 700 CHF on top of that is too expensive for me. I hope that these courses will be abolished from 2013 so that I can save the CHF 700. Thank you very much!

The approach of the courses is good, but on the one hand they are far too expensive and on the other hand there is a lack of implementation. Everyone I know has only told me negative things about the courses. They don't achieve their goal because the limited time available and the large number of participants mean that they don't come close to a regular safety training course run by the TCS, for example. In addition, the new drivers are overly demotivated, which also stands in the way of a successful course.

What is important is experience in road traffic and this can only be gained by taking part. I see most courses as a rip-off. I fear that 80% of the participants in the practical motorbike driving test will have to take the test a second time. With the justification: Still a little unsure? I myself have taken part in various skidding courses or other events privately.

I think everything that is discussed in these courses should be taught by the driving instructor before the driving test (which he has usually already done).

It's actually a good idea to do such courses, but as you're never allowed to go to the limits and therefore can't see where it gets critical, the wab courses are useless. In fact, it should be forbidden to call the first wab course a skidding course, as skidding is explicitly forbidden! On the second course, the price for a little driving around with the instructor is far too expensive!

If you make a serious mistake, your driving licence can be revoked even after the probationary period. So why the probationary period? The cost of obtaining a driving licence is already high enough. People who endanger themselves or others with their driving style and behaviour on the road should not be issued with a driving licence. Then there would be no need for this probationary period. I think the WAB courses are good in principle, but in my opinion they should be limited to the essentials and shortened to one day. Then it won't be so expensive.

I think the prices of the compulsory WAB courses are outrageous!

When my friends told me about the courses, they all came to the same conclusion, namely that you learn most of it from the driving instructor and the rest is simply obvious. So they take the money out of your pocket, especially if you're still in training.

I find the two WAB courses unnecessary, as the content of the first course has already been covered in the VKU and I am therefore already familiar with it, and the content of the second course was covered in my theory lessons. In addition, the costs are enormous and, in my opinion, unjustified for just two days...

The courses are far too expensive. Precisely because they are useful, they should be more attractive in terms of price. But you don't have the choice at the moment!

The second WAB (mainly environmentally friendly driving) should be abolished and taught during the driving lessons. The first WAB was a good experience.

In general, I am against all compulsory refresher courses. Both for new drivers and for senior citizens, even though I voluntarily added a further training course at ASSR last year after obtaining my motorbike licence. Emphasis on voluntary, because I wanted to, not because I was prescribed to do so by the state and therefore simply sat out the course unwillingly.

I think that almost all of the topics have already been covered in the VKU. I'm paying for something I've heard before. I think it would be good if there was a course day to look at topics such as driving style and skidding course and then clarify questions that are on my mind.

These courses are absolutely unnecessary, most of what is described above has already been passed on in the VK courses. Both courses should be abolished and it would be better to consider making the skidding course (as with TCS) compulsory. You learn much more and more important things there. Ultimately, it's all a rip-off of young people who don't earn much anyway. What's more, everyone would actually have to complete these courses. We young people learn much more and have to pass a strict examination. All those who already have the licence never learnt as much and, in my opinion, don't drive any better and don't even know the theory!!!!!

I think the road traffic office simply wants to get even more money out of new drivers with these courses. Nowadays you have to take a lot more driving lessons. The courses are far too expensive and unnecessary.

I think the probationary period is fine. The fact that safety in everyday driving should be taught, and ONLY to new drivers, is a good thing. However, I think that senior citizens should also attend various courses and I think it's a good idea to consider giving up the driving licence from the age of 80. Because with increasing age, the ability to react decreases. This is a topic that is particularly relevant on the first day of the WAB course.

The WAB courses themselves were good. I found the topic of keeping your distance very impressive and the feedback ride and the topic of ecological driving were also very good. However, the theory was a bit lengthy, we first had to introduce ourselves for half an hour on both days and heard a lot of things we had already heard at school, during the driving lessons and in the VKU (alcohol, drugs, etc.) I think the theoretical part could be shortened so that the whole programme fits into one or one and a half days. Then you could also make it cheaper. I also think it would be worth considering whether drivers who have been driving for 10 or 20 years could be invited to a similar course, where they could practise full braking etc. again.

The topics of the WAB courses should be integrated into the driving lessons. If you are forced to ‘sit through’ these topics in the theory room, and the price has to be paid anyway, it is almost impossible to reach those who are not interested. However, if these people need even more driving lessons because they are not interested, the effect is greater.

I find it completely pointless that I am already allowed to ride a scooter after passing the theory test and the emergency helper course. You should do the WAB course BEFORE you get your learner's licence, because it teaches you how to operate and steer the scooter correctly. (The learner's licence should only be handed out at the beginning of the WAB course or so...)

Everything that is learnt in the courses could be put into a free brochure. The driving instructor is responsible for the driving training. Risks, alcohol, braking distance etc. are already discussed in the VKU, which is much cheaper. These courses are a total rip-off! Better a REAL skid course and not this pseudo-shit!

The courses themselves are interesting, but I find them far too expensive. You could do the course in one day.

I drive about 15,000 kilometres a year, in all weathers, often over 100 km at a time, even abroad. In my opinion, driving experience brings the right attitude on the road. It doesn't help if you attend courses, then leave the car at home anyway because you can get to work quicker by public transport, and only use the car at the weekend, or hire Mobility, and are unsafe on the road due to a lack of driving experience.

I think that's just money-making!!!

I think the first day of the course is very important, but why this is only done after the test is beyond me. Why I have to sacrifice a whole working day and pay totally exorbitant fees to learn to drive in an ‘environmentally friendly’ way is hard to understand. surely this is part of the driving training?

There are some points that are important and also unnecessary, but I don't think it should be compulsory.

The courses are far too expensive and the offer is far too expensive for the price! Not even lunch is included and you have to use a private car.

I think it's basically ok that there is a theory test and a practical test to obtain a driving licence. But I think it's totally wrong that EVERYONE is penalised because of a few incompetents. What can I do if certain people are unable to assess dangers and drive irrationally. Now further measures have had to be taken (probationary driving licence, WAB course, VKU), which penalises everyone. I also think the whole driver training programme is totally overpriced. How am I supposed to finance my driver training as a student with ZERO income? I also found the VKU totally superfluous. I was told: ‘In summer it's warm, in winter it's cold!’ And I had to sacrifice 4 evenings for that?

I don't think these courses are good because it's best to teach everything straight away when you're learning to drive and not when you already have the test!

It's just a lot of fiddling, it's achieved absolutely nothing. the idiots up there just don't want to admit that they've made the wrong decision again. it's more important to make a regular course compulsory from the age of 60. Everyone would be happy with a course during the acquisition of the driving licence.

Many of the topics covered in the courses are already covered in the VKU or in the driving lessons. Other drivers can also judge your driving style in this way.

In my opinion, it is simply far too expensive. Most of those who have to attend the course are young people who may not have 700 CHF in reserve...

Good basic idea - but as the courses are compulsory, I think the fee is clearly too high. The courses could really be broken down into one course day, as we already had some breaks etc. during the course days --> use the time more efficiently & offer it more cheaply.

The driving licence should only be issued for 1 year on probation and not 3

I think the WAB course is clearly too expensive. You have to pay a lot just to get your licence and then you are forced to pay 700FR for this course. I also think the course dates are not ideal. For example, you have to register months in advance to get a place and/or you have to take one or two days off work to attend the course. It would certainly be a relief for many if the course wasn't two days and if it was also offered in the evening, after working hours.

The courses are incredibly expensive, especially for the first course, where you need your own car, I think the price is exaggerated. In addition, the content could be tightened up a bit (less ‘loose’ talk, more content. It could definitely be an intensive training course). I also think that the administration should be simplified. I find the fact that you only have a time window of 1 month to apply for the permanent licence unnecessarily harassing. The application should be submitted automatically after the 2nd WAB course.

The courses themselves are important, but the participants don't want to learn anything. They simply attend the courses so that they don't lose their probationary driving licence. As a result, they do not learn the important content and are subsequently unable to put it into practice. It would be better if the courses were voluntary, but the drivers who attended the courses would benefit from cheaper insurance afterwards.

The WAB courses are absolutely overpriced. The price is definitely too high for the fact that you mainly repeat things that have already been discussed in the VKU anyway, and sometimes completely banal things are discussed. In addition, it's mainly young people who take the driving test who have no money anyway. When they finally pass the driving test, they have to spend another CHF 800, which either has to be paid by their parents or covered by a small apprentice's wage. This must not be allowed to continue.

Personally, I find the courses sensible and useful, they teach important knowledge, especially practice(!), which you can't get any other way, but which is important for safety. However, with fewer breaks, the time for this could be shortened, e.g. into 2x half a day (possibly better for concentration/competence) and thus also reduce the costs...

The issues of emergency braking and alcohol and drugs at the wheel are unnecessary because they have already been explained enough during the driving test and learning to drive

I think the first day of the course is basically good, especially the braking theory and the demonstration of what can happen. I find the second day of the course a bit pointless, because most riders don't stick to it after the course and forget it again. About the prices: I think the prices are too expensive, because most new drivers are still in training and may not have that much money at their disposal. They should make special offers! I am generally in favour of the first day of the course but not the second.

I think that the WAB courses should be integrated into driver training. In my opinion, however, it would be practical if the WAB courses were still offered but were voluntary for new drivers who have passed their driving test well to very well. For those who have ‘slipped through’ the driving test by a very narrow margin, I would keep the WAB course compulsory, but shorten it to one day with the content of both days (brevity is the spice of life...).

I actually think that the courses were useful to me. Even if I find them a bit too expensive... But you simply underestimate the situation a lot. Especially in the first course, I was very surprised at how quickly something can happen. That's why I think these two courses should be continued. I don't think the three-year probationary period is bad either. But I think the penalties are a bit too strict, e.g. that you have to do everything again when you have finished and request the ‘real’ driving licence too late... This is too harsh... Everything else is expensive enough these days. But otherwise I don't think it's bad with the probationary period. I'll soon have passed mine ;)

In principle, these WAB courses are certainly sensible and useful. However, I have the impression that they don't really have much influence on behaviour. A potential speeding offender will behave in exactly the same way after these 2 course days as before. Those who behave ‘decently’ beforehand are already aware of the topics to be covered in the courses.

i only think the spin course is important, the second one is absolutely unnecessary and pointless.

The course days must be completed during the probationary period. Normally you take the test as early as possible and are still in training, so how are you supposed to pay for the emergency aid, VKU, driving lesson and then these unnecessary skidding and driving style courses? I find it absolutely cheeky that a young person who wants to drive a car and doesn't hang around like ‘today's youth’ can hardly pay the way up to and after the test.

I think it's good that, for example, skidding courses are offered, but in my opinion they shouldn't be compulsory and certainly not so expensive.

Instead of the WAB courses, all content relating to safety, traffic rules and ECO-Drive should be put online. Reasons: 1. no costs for new drivers. 2. if you forget something, it can be looked up and you are always up to date with any changes.

The practical parts of the first day of the course make sense insofar as it demonstrates both personal and technical limits of the vehicle: emergency braking, understeer, etc. Every driver should definitely do this. But it could also be done during driver training. (e.g. visiting such a facility with the driving instructor... that way the feedback would also be more personal and accurate than in a course) All the theory parts, where you are told for the umpteenth time that you shouldn't drive when you are drunk, are simply tedious and boring. The same goes for the second day of the course. It should be cancelled without replacement. Anyone interested in ecodriving should find out about it personally, a compulsory course day is a joke

Driving in general is very expensive, starting with the emergency assistance course and continuing with the expensive driving lessons. It's mean that you have to pay so much for courses that you MUST do. Thanks for understanding

It would be better to rethink the theoretical part of the training and invest more time there. I am also of the opinion that there should be compulsory hours. For example: at least 3 hours on the motorway, night driving etc. Furthermore, the blue L should be abolished so that training is only carried out by professionals.

Rather no comment

All topics of the WAB are important, but in my opinion they should be mastered / known BEFORE the driving licence is issued. Uncertainty and ignorance do not belong on the road. I know people who don't (can't/won't?!) drive in snow or avoid motorways at certain times because there are too many vehicles. If you have a driving licence, you have to be able to handle these things too, otherwise you have the licence wrongly. Being able to drive in rain and snow is absolutely important, rain on the motorway obviously still causes panic and unnecessary, sudden braking manoeuvres for many people, as I have often personally experienced... If you don't know how to behave in such situations, i.e. if you can't drive properly, why did you get a driving licence? As far as serious road traffic offences are concerned, in my opinion there is no need for a probationary period to justify a cancellation. Anyone who commits a serious offence proves that they are unfit to drive and should therefore not be given a licence. In my opinion, such road traffic offences should be dealt with much more severely than is currently the case. Ultimately, it's not about possible damage to property and recoverable monetary consequences, although these can of course be avoided. But much more far-reaching is the risk to human life caused by serious road traffic offences. Probationary period or not, such offences should cost you your driving licence.

It is an absolute money-making exercise. The VKU courses are totally sufficient!

Abolishing courses is money-making

The Wab course is a good thing in itself! But I think it's cheeky that it costs so much. Training for a driving licence is already expensive enough, and it shouldn't cost 1/4 more to attend a course that is compulsory. New drivers who don't realise how devastating an accident can be don't benefit from attending 2 days of training and learning how much distance they should keep, because they don't care, and everyone else is punished by having to pay 800 francs.

I can't really judge question 11 as I haven't been on a WAB course yet. Tips and tricks for riding at night and in fog (pedestrians, bikes without lights) would be welcome - especially for people who wear glasses and night myopia. I think it would be useful if ‘normal drivers’ also had to take regular refresher courses (including theory), but the courses shouldn't be too expensive. Off topic: In my opinion, pedestrian crossings and the pavement immediately adjacent to them are often insufficiently lit. I would welcome it if the centre line and all other markings on the road were more visible at night and in the rain.

Skidding courses would be more useful as the feeling on bad roads can be improved by rain, snow and ice.

The majority of the WAB course is already learnt from the driving instructor, and you could easily complete both courses in one day. If it were really about preparing new drivers better for traffic, the courses would have to be significantly cheaper/subsidised, as it is apparently in the interests of the Federal Roads Office. After all, it has worked so far without the courses. Furthermore, the problem is not new drivers per se, but the age of the drivers. The 18-year-olds who feel they have to make a name for themselves with a ‘brave’ driving style will not magically change after the course. The basic problem, however, is that the WAB courses are purely about making money at the expense of young, usually not wealthy, new drivers. And that is an absolute mess!

The course is too expensive, too much repetitive theory, more practice would make more sense

The courses are pure money-making. All topics are already covered by the theory test and VKU.

If the study has unfortunately only shown ineffectiveness, then the course should consequently be abolished. Why should time and money be invested in something that brings exactly nothing?

The courses are only good for those who drive carefully anyway and the others don't really care. In addition, they are simply too expensive and I don't think the three years is a bad thing, except that the ticket is gone because of small things and you have to do everything again. There are a lot of people who don't drive properly and a very small proportion of them are new drivers. So why these courses? Money rip-off! I've been saving for the test since I was little and was only just able to buy a car with help so that I could get to work and I don't even want to think about the 2 courses because my wallet is just getting sick!

I found the first course very exciting and it made me realise what dangers there are. I find the second one rather unnecessary. If you're interested, you can find out for yourself.

I think the skid training is really good, but unfortunately the courses are far too expensive. The probationary driving licence is also just to make more money...

Probationary driving licence only up to a certain age. WAB courses are very interesting, but much too long (especially the first part could be shortened) Point 9 has too few subdivisions for me. Point 10: Or split into 2 half days.

I took about 120 driving lessons over 1.5 years and spent about CHF 8000 on everything. I attended 2 compulsory courses. We went through these topics (braking distance, accident risks, etc.) on the VKU course. You have to make the penalties tough, set up radars everywhere or police officers.

Although I don't have to do the WAB courses, I thought about attending the 2nd day of the course.

i think these WABs are a total moneymaking exercise! i think the skidding course is a great thing, but the other one is totally unnecessary!!! and if you do such courses then before the driving test... great survey i think=)

The WAB course is totally unnecessary and a rip-off. You learnt the most important things from the driving instructor and the courses during the driving lessons. Ultimately, it depends on how you react.

Accidents always happen, with or without WAB courses. Likewise, there will always be idiots on the road, the WAB courses won't stop them

The WAB course is unnecessary because it hasn't changed my driving style. I haven't learnt anything.

Much of the WAB course is repetition, as you already attend a VC during your training. You pay a fortune to get your driver's licence and then you have to do two more WAB courses. It's simply very expensive... I've also often heard that these courses are useless because, firstly, you've already learnt almost everything and, secondly, everyone continues to drive the same way as before. What seems useful to me at the moment, however, are the skidding courses or courses in general where you learn and can practise how to behave in dangerous situations. Perhaps it would make sense to limit the courses to one day and reduce the costs considerably.

The WAb courses should be included in the VKU

The answer from all the young drivers I talk to, over 20, is the same: a completely unnecessary waste of time; individual elements of the half-baked spin course could still be accepted. The costs are exorbitant; it's a pure money-making exercise and a job creation for the driving instructors.

I think the courses are too expensive for young people. These WAB would also be very useful for us ‘older’ drivers. We should also take regular training courses to stay safe in traffic (e.g. driving round roundabouts has become a problem for many older drivers)

Many topics are already covered in the course (e.g. alcohol and drugs at the wheel) and are addressed and also tried out in the driving lessons (emergency braking, etc.).

I think the topics are very important, including environmentally conscious driving, but we learn a lot from the first day of the course in the Vku. and environmentally conscious driving should be learnt in the driving lessons right from the start. That's why I think the two courses should be abolished

I haven't attended the courses yet, but I've already heard from various sources that the course is much too expensive and too long for the few new things you learn.

I hope it will be decided soon, as I still have to complete the WAB courses (I have 3 years to do it, but still). I would save a lot of money, and I've heard from many friends that they haven't learnt much!

The 1st course was useful in that it made you realise once again how a vehicle reacts and that it is underestimated by many. The 2nd course was impressive and certainly useful, but I think it should be voluntary. Drivers who have not driven economically up to this point will not do so after the course! The prices for these courses are extremely high. Most new drivers cannot afford them. (The complete car test already costs more than enough).

Why always take the money from the young? The second day of the course is totally unnecessary and I learnt absolutely nothing from it. There were a few good points on the first day, but they were often lost in all the theory.

The 3-year probationary period and wab courses are a daunting obstacle.

I have just recently completed the 2nd part of the WAB course. I find this course very unnecessary and a bloody money making exercise. Firstly, I think that most young people don't have enough money to afford the driving school, the VKU and the car test. This alone is expensive enough and then you have to pay an additional 700 Fr. for which you then, in my opinion, drive around stupidly and only learn rubbish. Secondly, the things you look at there are all things that, if you have a good driving instructor, you learn in the driving lesson. Which is normal and should be the case. For example, enough distance and so on. You won't pass the test if you don't keep to these rules. Of course, over the years you learn things that aren't so good. But it doesn't help if you attend a course after 2 years and look at this because it hasn't been that long since you took the test and you still have a lot in your head. In addition, everyone with a driving licence would then have to take such a course every 2 years, because everyone acquires things over the years. After the course you might look at your mistakes again, but at some point you fall back into the old pattern. And if you were as bad at driving as they want us to believe, we would definitely not have passed the test. What's more, you're driving an unfamiliar car that you're not used to. Logically, everyone doesn't drive as well as usual - as a result, the fuel consumption result also improves massively in some cases (not because we drive more ecologically!). Thirdly, we are told that we young people are the ones who cause the most accidents according to the statistics. There is nothing wrong with that, but very often accidents are also caused by alcohol and drugs or just plain speeding and overconfidence. It would be much better if, in addition to a hefty fine, those who have already been speeding or have otherwise committed a traffic offence were forced to take such a course. Why do we all have to take this course - because young people are not the same as speeders/bad drivers. Fourthly, eco-driving is the biggest joke in the nation. Of course, I also look after the environment as best I can and don't drive around the world unnecessarily. But most of what you learn on this course is only feasible with a new car that has an automatic start-stop system and all the bells and whistles. Otherwise you are a danger to road traffic! Besides, if you want to save the world and go green, you should never fly on holiday again and instead travel by bike and go to work. And why not buy a horse and carriage! Nowadays, no matter what you do, everything needs energy and that's bad for the environment, whether you're surfing the internet or driving a car. Everything is bad. As long as there are big countries that have almost more cars than inhabitants, it's simply useless for us small Swiss to make a fuss about the environment. It would be much better if the prices of flights were finally increased and airline employees were paid a normal salary. This would bring figures and effective, meaningful results! As long as the really big and powerful countries do not improve, it is not very effective if only small Switzerland complies. Now I would like to thank everyone who has read my long but necessary text.

We have all already had the theories in the VKU, so I find it totally unnecessary to have to do this again and it is far too expensive!!! The only thing I find clever and necessary is the skidding course, where you really learn how to behave correctly. if this doesn't happen automatically by reacting differently. I think it would be good to have to take such a course from a certain age (around 80).

I think the probationary driving licence for three years is a good idea, but the courses don't have to be and when they are, they don't have to be so expensive.

Many of the topics are already covered by the driving school and the VKU. I therefore find many topics unnecessary. The course is generally too expensive, especially as driving training is not exactly cheap. The federal government could at least partially subsidise the courses, as you don't have a choice either way and not everyone has 350 to splash out in one day.

yes, everyone drives the way they want to anyway, whether they have attended a course or not. everyone has their own driving style. and if you consume alcohol and then drive, you know what can happen. and those who drive more drive the same way.

The courses make sense and you learn to know your car and can therefore control it better. However, the courses would make the most sense if they were compulsory for everyone in possession of a driving licence (also for public transport drivers), because only then would the traffic situation be harmonious. You can never avoid accidents due to the weather, cyclists who are not taught how to ride on the road, pedestrians who think they will stop or speeders. But if everything is better educated and everyone sticks to the rules then the plan they are trying to implement would work better, not perfectly but 50% of the time. Yours sincerely

In itself, the topics are important/interesting/current. However, I find the prices far too expensive. it makes sense to do the courses before the exam

These courses are a rip-off!

1. for me, this regulation is collective punishment of all young drivers. 2. in ‘the best democracy in the world’, the BR can simply decide and introduce something without asking the citizens? My conclusion: These courses are a cheek/waste of money and therefore an enrichment of those people who deserve it the least and should be abolished immediately!

I don't think the WAB courses are unnecessary. I gained a lot from the first course. I am much more concerned that once again the young are being asked to pay more. I think it would only be fair - without being discriminatory - if, in addition to the SVA examination (which can't really be taken seriously), a similar procedure, such as a test drive with the examination expert, were carried out for the 70 plus generation.

After obtaining my driving licence, I took voluntary courses at the Veltheim Driving Centre in the areas that were important to me. They were very helpful, especially as everyone WANTED to be there and didn't HAVE to be. At that time, however, they were also much cheaper than the market was, compared to today, where the compulsory courses are mainly a money-making exercise. It would make sense for people to be able to take voluntary courses to reduce their insurance premiums (or similar solutions). That would incentivise people without forcing them. In any case, this applies to the content of the first block of courses; according to ALL, without exception, ALL participants I know, the content of the ecodrive course is totally superfluous, because those who are interested in eco-driving already know all about it anyway, and those who are not interested will not be affected by it.

In principle, I think the probationary driving licence is a good thing. However, I'm a very careful driver myself and stick to all the rules. The WAB course has been around for a while now and yet people still drive in traffic, drive the wrong way round round roundabouts, etc. If a WAB course, then for everyone. Personally, I've found that drivers who have had their licence for a long time are the ones who tailgate and sometimes disregard the rules in the worst possible way (and then honk at me because I drive the roundabout the way I was taught in driving lessons). And as a student, I don't necessarily have the money to attend driving courses that don't help you and don't improve traffic.

It's a total rip-off of young people. Many of them can't even manage theory, driving lessons, VKU and then these totally overpriced courses. Most retired people drive worse and don't have to pay or do anything, they can just keep their licence. The probationary period is too long!

I think the probationary period of 3 years is enough. Even if I attend the two courses, I still drive the same way. In the past, you didn't have to attend WAB days and there were fewer accidents than now... Hmm... from my point of view it's a waste of money. 3 years of accident-free driving says more to me than a skidding course.

The WAB courses are simply far too expensive when you consider that all the courses, lessons and tests you need for your driving licence are already far too expensive.

I find the second day of the course completely unnecessary, as you can just as easily ask your fellow drivers about their driving style and inform yourself about environmentally friendly driving. Paying over 350 Fr. for this day is pure money-making for me. I think the first day of the course is very important and should definitely be retained! What also bothers me is that you can lose your driving licence if you don't apply for a new one in time. What have you done wrong to have EVERYTHING revoked? You only have one month and have to think about it for 3 years. I also think it's pure money-making.

It's important to minimise the risk of accidents, but it's outrageous how expensive the entire driving training is. The courses are massively overpriced for the poor competence of the instructors!

I find the whole thing unnecessary. The first course is still ok, say many friends and acquaintances, but the second is absolute rubbish, strangers are supposed to rate a driver. The costs are totally exaggerated because you go there in your own car, so what exactly are you paying for? It would be better to punish those who cause accidents under the influence of drugs or whatever by making them take such courses instead of punishing all new drivers with this nonsense. Apart from pocketing money, it's all for nothing

The courses are far too expensive for a person taking their driving test at a young age. It makes little sense to learn the objectives of the course some time after the car test, as this learning process should be completed before the test (although you can always learn more). Unfortunately, I have not yet attended the courses and therefore cannot say anything about their content.

I don't think these two courses are necessary, they are too expensive and young people speed despite these courses, there are always those and other drivers, I need my car to get to work, so I think these courses are too expensive for me and not necessary.

I think everyone should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to attend a course, as long as they have good control of their motorbike and know their way around traffic.

I actually think the WAB courses are very good, but I just don't think the funding is ok. The canton and the federal government also have money for everything else, so they could also provide some support for new drivers! Because for some people the funding is an obstacle to taking the test. And these courses are compulsory.

I don't think it makes sense to keep raising the entry barriers to driving. It would be at least as important to carry out more traffic checks and to punish notorious offenders more severely (e.g. withdrawal of licence, repetition of driving test)

I think good training is important, but not only for young and new drivers but also for older drivers. As a passenger in a car and on a motorbike for over 18 years, I see the impossible every day. I think the WAB makes more sense than the VKU. In my opinion, the VKU doesn't offer that much. As I'm a slightly older new driver (36 years old), I may think differently than an 18-year-old. What I don't find ideal is that you have to pay a lot of money to drive a car or motorbike. Every form and all courses are very expensive. There are also big differences between driving schools. But this is my personal opinion.

These courses should be integrated into the driving test so that you have gained some experience before you are involved in traffic. The prices for these courses are completely ‘out of line’ with the age and profession of the average learner!

I think you should do both courses shortly after passing your driving test. I'm glad that I did my second day of the course about 4 months after passing the test. I was the ‘least experienced’ in my group, but I was able to learn a lot from the feedback on my driving style and now drive a very environmentally conscious car. If I had only completed the 2nd day of the course later, it would have been much more difficult for me to change my driving style (to be more environmentally aware, etc.). however, I don't think an emergency stop belongs on a WAB course like this. You should have the confidence to do an emergency stop before you take the test! (and not say in WAB1 that you don't dare to do this! such people don't dare to brake on the public road anyway - and that's exactly how accidents happen).

As new drivers are still very unsafe when they first get their licence and have no experience of dangerous situations, it is essential to keep up the advanced training courses

As I haven't done the WAB courses yet, I don't know how important they are and what you learn. In any case, I can see that the driving test requires a lot of time and money, especially compared to other countries (e.g. the USA)

The WAB is really too expensive for new drivers who are still in training. Perhaps there should be a student discount, or at least the cars should be made available for the course. After all, many new drivers can't yet afford their own car and renting one is very expensive...

The topics of the WAB courses are already covered in excess in the VKU and in the practical training before the exam.

The WAB courses may be good, but they are far too expensive. As a student or apprentice, it is not affordable. A speeding driver does not become a good driver through the WAB courses. It's not just young drivers who cause accidents, but also ‘old’ drivers! Nobody says that pensioners have to take a course because they don't know the current traffic rules. The medical checks that senior citizens have to undergo are for nothing. Doctors don't want to lose their loyal and money-earning (medication-purchasing) patients, so they often turn a blind eye. Mature drivers don't always take alcohol so seriously either. As the parliament consists mainly of older people, nothing is likely to change in terms of courses for senior citizens. In conclusion, I would like to say that the VKU course and the driving lessons should be sufficient and therefore the WAB courses are superfluous. From a certain age (e.g. 65), senior citizens should have to attend a course to refresh their knowledge of the traffic rules, as a lot has changed. And from around the age of 70, regular check-ups with an independent doctor.

I think the first day of the course is okay and important. The 2nd day of the course is absolutely superfluous. I personally think paying another 350.00 so that others can judge my driving style is a rip-off. In addition, a good driving instructor should already teach the learner driver about environmentally friendly driving during the driving lessons. I also think it's important to focus attention on older men and women on the road.

In my opinion, a psychiatrist should be allowed to interview the candidates worldwide at the test date and, on the basis of this assessment, issue a contestable ruling as to whether they are sufficiently mature to drive a car or motorbike. This is the only way to keep speeders and unreasonable drivers off the road. If the psychiatrist comes to the conclusion that this is not the case, a counter-opinion should be submitted and a judge should give serious weight to this opinion.

For young new drivers, who apparently cause most accidents under the influence of alcohol and drugs, the course makes sense. However, I am 35 years old and have 2 small children, which is why I recently obtained my driving licence. The additional courses are very expensive for me. I could invest the money better elsewhere.

Driving courses on snow and ice

The courses are simply too expensive. At this age, most people are doing an apprenticeship or studying and can't afford it. The theory in the courses is unnecessary as everything is covered in the VKU. The practical exercises are great. All in all, you can shorten it to 1 day of practice.

I think the courses are completely unnecessary, because there's nothing in them that you haven't already learnt for the theory test, and it's repeated in the VKU and then the driving instructor mentions it 10 more times. Of course, it's important to look at things like distance, accident risks, road conditions, etc., but you do enough of that before the test. Every small child knows what alcohol and drugs can do to a driver. Going over such topics again and again is a waste of time, because whether or not you drive under the influence of alcohol or drugs is purely a matter of attitude. People who don't realise that 0.0 per mille is the best and that you don't consume anything when you drive can't be converted with such courses, especially not if they have to get upset about overpriced course costs and therefore block everything from the outset. I also think that these courses are completely overpriced for new drivers and, in addition to the many other costs incurred for the driving test, generally only meet with annoyance and incomprehension.

Car test and WAB courses are far too expensive!

The topics of the WAB courses are already taught in the driving lessons!

I think the first day of the course still makes sense, it's fun to improve your driving skills. The second day, on the other hand, is pointless and I find the prices very expensive, especially as an apprentice you have to save up for a very long time, so the demands are also very high (that was the case for me). My opinion: yes to the first course, but make it bilier, and interact more practically. Abolish the second course, should actually be a matter for the driving instructor ... Mfg S.T

The road safety lessons that you also have to do are the same as the 1 day course from the WAB, I think the courses are basically good, but I think it would be more useful for long-time drivers to refresh their knowledge. I also think that if you are a bit older and are getting your driving licence, you should be excluded from these courses as you already have a certain amount of life experience.

I have not yet been on such a course. It is therefore difficult to say whether it is necessary or not. But I would still be in favour of continuing these courses

i thought the first course was great. i hope you'll enjoy the second one too. but these courses are expensive. i think it should be cheaper with so many participants. i also think it's more important that long-time drivers continue their education. lg

far too much time for far too much money

I think the first course is good but the second is unnecessary as we already learn this in the driving lessons

The information taught in these two courses is already included in the emergency helper course and the road safety course. In addition, the courses are unnecessarily spread over two days so that even more money can be charged for the already expensive route to a driving licence.

Personally, the first day of the course (skidding course) was very useful for me. I have not yet completed the second. But I don't see any benefit in it either. Environmentally friendly driving is certainly not a bad thing, but in my opinion it would be enough if the driving instructor explained this in a few sentences during a driving lesson. For me, the high course costs are particularly annoying, as I mostly travel with the automatic. But why not replace the second day of the course with ‘winter training/dangers with ice and snow’? Certainly not completely useless in Switzerland...

As the driving lessons are also very expensive, I find the additional course costs absolutely overpriced and not exactly motivating to complete them quickly, which would actually be an advantage. So integrate the courses into the training and reduce costs!

I don't think these courses will help to educate drivers who are actually driving irrationally. They will continue to be a danger for those who behave correctly. For them, the course should be voluntary. Gross traffic offenders should continue to be dealt with harshly.

I had an instructor on the first course who spoke very ironically. Sometimes I didn't know whether I had done well or badly. That's why the course didn't help me that much. However, I found the content in and of itself meaningful and valuable. I don't think the cost of the course is justified. As a student, I don't have a salary and - like many other young people my age - I have to watch out for money. There are already enough high costs up to the driving test alone!

It seems to me that all the fuss and bother until you finally have a definitive driving licence is more of a money-making exercise. I'm not surprised that fewer and fewer young people are taking their driving licence. I also think that, apart from driving, many driving instructors should be trained more in teaching. Regarding this WAB course: If it were really necessary to do such a course, as is sometimes claimed, I don't see why it is only possible to complete it up to 3 years after passing the test? As if there were no winter, no black ice, no rain, no bends in between!.... Apart from that, there are also ‘older’ drivers who could do with a refresher course. Apart from the younger ones, who are usually still in training, they could better afford it. I think it would make more sense to make sure that you gain experience with all weather conditions etc. during the driving lessons. In addition, many topics of the Wab course are already learnt in the VKU etc. Such as alcohol, drugs at the wheel, braking distance and distance. Emergency braking is practised in the driving lessons. In any case, I haven't attended these courses yet, I have time until July 2015. Of course I hope that I won't have to do this, or that it will at least be shorter and cheaper, I'd rather invest this money in my studies. I'm curious to see what the decision will be.

The idea of organising such courses is basically good, but they cost far too much.

The trial period makes sense. But the courses don't really. The driving licence itself is already expensive and the additional courses cost a lot too. You learn the most during the driving lessons, perhaps it could be made compulsory for the driving instructor to offer a skidding course lesson.

The price for the course is far too high, but everyone has no choice but to pay it, otherwise they will no longer be allowed to drive -> money rip-off!!! It is certainly important to know under what conditions an accident can happen very quickly, but I think that you are already very well informed in the VKU and in driving lessons and everything else is simply experience that you gain.

Everything that is covered in the courses has already been practised in the driving lessons.

Basically, I find the WAB courses very informative and helpful for later driving. However, I think that the two course days could be significantly shortened! I also don't know why they have to be so expensive! What's all that money for? 2 x around 390 is far too much! Apart from the money for the driving lessons, that's a lot of money! I wonder how families from lower social classes manage that! I also had a fellow student on a course who couldn't speak a single word of German! I don't see why a mother of 3 children should throw out this amount of money! A translator would be an idea, but that costs money again! This raises the question of benefit and expense or money...

apart from the skidding course for wet and slippery roads, all the points on the course make no sense because you already learn this in driving school. the costs for the course are also overpriced and for people who have a 5-day week this also means a loss of work. i would limit the course to 2-3 hours for the skidding course, that would be a good solution for everyone.

I don't think these courses really contribute to accident prevention. You also learn a lot from the driving instructor and most of it is purely a matter of experience, such as driving in wet and slippery conditions. And information on driving style is totally unnecessary because I think everyone has their own driving style, it just depends on the person and feedback doesn't change that. On the subject of drugs and alcohol. I think at an age when you're driving you should be mature enough to understand what happens when you take drugs, and you're also educated at school and in the VKU.

In my opinion, the first day of the course is unimportant because it should be as clear as daylight anyway and those drivers who feel they have to get behind the wheel after drinking alcohol or taking drugs will do so despite this course, even though they themselves know exactly what the consequences could be. The skid course, on the other hand, can be very helpful in some situations.

I think the first day of the course is good and important, but there's too much theory and not much of it sticks. In my opinion, the second day of the course is not very useful because most new drivers complete it shortly before the expiry date of their provisional driving licence and then don't change their driving style anyway. The content of the 2nd course should be integrated into the driving lessons.

The education of the parents and the example set by the parents on how to behave in road traffic as well as a good driving instructor who makes you aware of dangers are completely sufficient. These WAB courses only take more money out of a young driver's pocket that you don't have as a young person. We have a clear rule: if you drive, you don't drink! my parents taught me that when my father has had a beer, my mother drives and I think that's a good thing! I am also fully aware that I am not only responsible for myself but also for my fellow human beings.

A probationary period of two years for the driving licence would be appropriate.

I think the topics covered should be dealt with in driving lessons and some of them are already being discussed there today. The driving instructor already gives you feedback on your own driving style and you can also drive with him in wet and slippery conditions, which gives you a sense of security. The driving instructor should also give you tips on environmentally friendly driving. In other words: the two WAB courses are totally unnecessary and far too expensive, especially for young people in training.

The course content seems very important in principle. But what I've heard so far about the course days is that you don't learn much and it's mostly wasted time. Partly it would also be about getting to know your own limits, which is not the case (as I have heard from my very large circle). I have the feeling that it's just a rip-off!

Many things are mentioned for the 2nd if not the 3rd time (have already been dealt with in the VKU) such as drugs/alcohol, distance etc. The skidding exercise and distance/full braking are interesting, but could just as easily be covered in the driving lesson. All in all, a wasted day and, above all, a wasted 350.

All topics are already covered in the various courses before the test. It would make a lot more sense to make tests more difficult. Or make the course more intensive. i.e. longer distance, faster pace and a new exam.

The courses are much, much, much too expensive for young people with no income! The driving lesson prices alone are a rip-off, and the courses are beyond the scope!

I found both course days interesting and the first one in particular is very useful. However, the prices are far too expensive, as most new drivers are still very young and in training! I think shortening the course to one day would be a very good idea.

As the statistics show, such courses do not change driving behaviour at all (or only to a small extent). If you are a speeding driver before the course, you will be one afterwards. Anyone who takes drugs or alcohol before the course will also do so after the course, in my opinion. That's why the penalties/fines have to hurt and not generally penalise all new drivers with the two course days and not to forget the high course costs.

Practically all the topics have already been discussed and analysed in the road safety courses! And the price is outrageous!

Unfortunately, I don't know what a WAB course is. That's why I couldn't answer the questions related to this course.

I had a very good driving instructor who taught me everything I needed to know. I think it's more important that there are more honest and well-trained driving instructors!

Topics such as distance, speed, braking distance, road conditions and general knowledge about the consequences of an accident are not taken seriously I now have the licence I am the king

The course is recommendable and helpful. The price, however, is excessive and not appropriate for new drivers and young adults.

Question 10: This answer only refers to the first WAB course. The 2nd course day is ok, but in some cases you can't use it at all, too much traffic or it depends on the car. Suggestion: Carry out the 2nd course in your own car!

I don't think the WAB courses are necessary, as in my opinion they are just a money-making exercise and a rip-off.

Basically, I think it's wise to be informed about what can happen if...etc. But to do two courses at the same time is exaggerated, you can also look at the whole thing with the driving instructor and see what can happen when! So my opinion is to look at the whole thing during the driving lessons and inform you about it and not take an additional course. I think the 3-year trial period is a good idea. You are then a bit more careful with the first trips on your own.

On the first day of the course, a lot of things were looked at that you have already done or heard about in your driving training. I don't think it's right to spend so much money on repeated information. I found the second day ok. I also think that older people should also take a course.

In this course you learn everything that is in the number 7. So I find it boring and very unnecessary. You learn all that in the VKU and emergency aid course. If that's not enough, you also learn it from the driving instructor. There you also practise e.g. emergency braking etc... I think it's rubbish to attend this WAB course again at the end. And then another 700 ? Pure gambling and you don't learn anything new!!!

These WAB courses are an absolute cheek as far as the costs are concerned. And what's more: what's the point of only doing these courses after three years? I've been driving for 1.5 years, do you really think I would change my driving style now? The money-making is a thorn in my side.

I don't actually think the idea of these courses is bad. However, they can't be simulated true to the situation as we ultimately find it in traffic (this opinion is shared by experts). I also think it's a rip-off, considering that many young people are still in training and, like me, don't necessarily need their own car, but do need a driving licence. I think it would be better if the VKU's were used to analyse different traffic situations and corresponding reactions in a more concrete way; then I would also benefit from the VKU!

I think the whole training programme is basically good, but in my opinion the VKU and the WAB courses could be shortened and the costs reduced. Better short and concise. And because of the high costs, the whole driver training programme is seen by many as a rip-off...

I drive a lot all over Switzerland for work. I understand that the rules are being tightened, especially because of the increasing number of accidents (reported in the media) caused by young drivers. However, I find two WAB courses for 1600 completely unnecessary. If I had to do this, I wouldn't have taken the test! Besides the fact that it is extremely expensive, the success is not really measurable, is it? An integrated skidding course would be great, for example, at the time when the learner driver is allowed on the motorway. It may cost something, just like the road safety course. But certainly not 800.

I think the WAB courses should be voluntary. I think it is unnecessary to give the driving licence on probation. It would be better to impose stricter conditions on old people who are driving their 80s at 40 and where you can see from a distance that they are not in control of the vehicle than on young people. I know many older customers who have told me that they have bribed their doctor so that they can still drive. There should be compulsory courses for these people. Training should include more discussion of behaviour in the event of a breakdown, because I've already had one in the short time I've been driving. My driver has already taught me how to drive in an environmentally friendly way, so why should I attend another course?

It's important to be aware of all the dangers. When driving, you are not only gambling with your own life, but can also endanger other people! Even if I am in favour of the course, it is far too expensive!

The first course is not bad! You can see what a small distance can do. But the second one is totally superfluous! Save petrol haha! If we hadn't driven, we would have spent a lot more on petrol. :) The costs are also a bit too high! If the courses are abolished, will we get the money back from the state? :)))

These courses are first and foremost pure ‘money-making’. The topics of alcohol and drugs at the wheel are totally unnecessary, because I think everyone knows that these two things are not compatible with road traffic. I think the eco-driving course should be voluntary for those who are interested in it.

The skidding course in wet and slippery conditions should be handled better. We were told to keep our hands off the wheel as soon as we started to skid. When we asked what we should do if there was a slope on one side, the answer was a grinning ‘Then you'll just fall off’. I don't think that makes much sense...

Drivers who are aware of their responsibility, behave carefully and take this whole issue seriously are a good prerequisite for road traffic. Of course something can always happen, it's a risk that can't be completely prevented! However, the following fact is very important: every driver who speeds or drives under the influence of alcohol or drugs is aware of this and these WAB courses are of no use. You only do these courses because you have to and those who don't want to learn anything will continue to drive at excessive speeds etc.!

I think it's okay to take a closer look at young drivers. However, I think 1. that even someone who has been driving for 30-40 years would benefit from a refresher course. I also assume that the important topics such as drugs at the wheel, accident prevention, emergency braking, distance and so on are already covered in the VKU and especially later with the driving instructor. This doesn't require a course shortly after the test, which in turn is not tested. Many simply sit there because they have to and are happy when the day is over. Not much needs to be said about the price of this. From the point of view of a student who had a great driving instructor who already paid attention to ecological driving, it was completely outrageously expensive!!!

In my opinion, the two courses are ok, the first one even makes sense to some extent. But the courses are pure money-making. Learning to drive is already expensive enough without these courses

As I haven't attended any of the course days yet, I can only make judgements and go by what I've heard from others - namely that the first course day makes sense in principle, but is overlong and overpriced and that the second course day is a bit of a token exercise. You have a long way to go before you get your licence; there are certainly topics that can still be looked at afterwards in a meaningful way, but when I hear anecdotes about excursions such as ‘drunk driving is not so smart’ (as if the hopeless cases are more likely to understand it the tenth time than the first nine times) or ‘you drive lower in fourth gear than in first’, I do wonder whether the new drivers a.) are thought to be very incompetent or b.) whether someone just enjoys making money after all. In contrast to emergency assistance, theory and driving lessons, I have already found the VKU to be moderately useful and what it already covers twice and three times does not need to be repeated after training. If I could decide, I would abolish the VKU (even if this is not the topic here) and, if necessary, integrate the relevant information from it into the practical training (where it is not already there). I would then combine both course days into one and make the whole thing more compact.

Important things such as accident risks, braking regulations etc., as I have answered above, are of course essential. However, you already learn these things in the VKU and in training with the driving instructor. I find these courses an absolute bottomless outrage. Whenever I think about it, I get angry. 350 cent for a course that brings me nothing? The second course is the tip of the iceberg. Who the hell cares how much petrol I use? The experts don't have to pay my petrol bill and the driving instructors already teach you how to drive economically. It's also in everyone's interest how much petrol they use. For my part, this thing is a huge mess.

I think that the courses are completely overpriced and that the courses are too short to really influence the driving style and are therefore of no benefit.

Surely something good, just too expensive!!!

I think the topics of the WAB courses should already be covered during the driving lessons.

In the 1st course, most of the topics covered were the same as in the VKU or driving school. However, I found the exercises on keeping your distance and braking distance very useful.

Probationary period of 1.5 years for driving licence

On my second day of the course, the instructor was noticeably lacking in didactics. He hardly conveyed any of the course content, which was actually important, and instead made various whimsical comments about traffic law and politics. He was obviously ill-informed about the background to environmentally friendly driving. Such a course day is entertaining to a certain extent, but brings no benefit for driving and is therefore not worth 350 francs.

Too expensive!

For many, the WAB courses are totally unnecessary and far too expensive. The courses are only useful for those who don't realise why there are speed limits, a ban on drugs and an alcohol limit (which could easily be 0 per mille) while they are learning

If mandatory, then definitely something more favourable. Otherwise, I think it would be more appropriate if it were voluntary.

I don't think the courses are bad in principle, but obtaining a driving licence is expensive otherwise. The courses also cost a lot of money. When the probationary driving licence did not yet exist, these courses could be taken voluntarily for much less money. Now that they are compulsory, they are suddenly much more expensive. I don't think that's okay.

i think the wab courses could be cheaper and shorter... and the probationary period could also be shorter soo 1-2 years if you can drive every day or at least 2-3 times a week to get used to it faster... 3 years is too long in my opinion. thanks :)

I think the essential aspects of the WAB courses must be taught to learner drivers during the driving lessons (distance, emergency braking). Aspects such as driving style and environmentally friendly driving can also be discussed with the driving instructors in the final driving lessons. Aspects such as accident risk and drugs only need to be discussed with some learner drivers during the driving lessons. For many, however, this is not necessary.

I think that eco-driving should be taught by driving instructors right from the start and not just added to in another course over the next 2 years! Ecological driving should therefore be abolished, but I think the skidding course is very important!

The prices are a rip-off

The WAB courses make no sense to me, as I already know the knowledge presented there from grammar school, colleagues, parents, etc. The courses are basically too old for me.

The courses are basically not bad in terms of content. They are just far too expensive, as you have to pay a lot for the entire driving training. I had to pay for everything myself, and as a pupil/student that's a lot of money. I couldn't see why the courses were so expensive. Infrastructure? Staff? For what you learn on the courses, they cost far too much (especially the second course). I don't think the idea of limiting the courses to one day and integrating them into driver training is a bad one. However, it could also be made compulsory only for new drivers who have caused an accident or received other penalties (speeding...).

I find the wab courses much too expensive. I am still in apprenticeship and earn accordingly. I felt exploited because I had to pay so much. The driving lessons etc. were expensive enough!

I am of the opinion that we have already covered the theory of braking distance, accident risk and the effects of alcohol and drugs at the wheel more than sufficiently in our traffic lessons. Besides, I probably wouldn't have taken the driver's license if I had known that it would be so bad. the driving hours to 90.- and emergency helpers and vku and theory (plus cds and everything) and now still wab courses... hello??? I had to pay everything myself.

The WAB courses are really important, but you already know most about the VKU. Why do you have to listen to these things twice and pay twice? The price of the WAB courses is a cheek and should be radically lowered!

Above all, it should be pointed out to young people that accidents can happen at any time. Every small distraction can lead to death.

In a WAB course, you should only learn things that you can't practise otherwise. Skidding and braking. I would shorten the VKU to 2 evenings, because the material can also be taught in a shorter time.

In my opinion, a visit to a driving safety training course for example at the TCS brings a lot more. Since I have already attended such a course, I was able to find that the Wab course introduces unnecessarily much theory and thus the main goal of safe driving is neglected, because trying out in the vehicle, etc. is too short.

Everything should be done before the driving test, if at all.

would be important, only skidding course is unnögit, or to first skidding course then driver passes.

The 2nd day of the course is completely unnecessary. Instead of the WAB course, a driving safety training would be more useful. I did one and learned a lot more than I did on both WAB courses.

The courses are much too expensive and very time consuming even with two full days.

The courses are extremely expensive! For example, I am a student and for me driving lessons including the exam is already too high. With these prices for the courses it is almost impossible for students.

Obtaining the driver's license is a single harassment and rip-off of the otherwise not too many new drivers. Totally wrong. It's all about making money. As if anyone would drive ecologically after the WAB??!!! Much more important than testing driving skills would be to test the character of the driver. Every speedster can drive a car perfectly, but he has a bad character... The whole thing is laughable and not worthy of Switzerland...

It's hard for me to judge all this, as I haven't taken the theoretical or practical driving test, and I haven't taken any courses except the emergency aid. But these are my opinions based on the knowledge I have received from the media or from friends.

I think it is important to hold a course on safety-relevant things, but the first course seemed more like VKU with driving, where I think it would be more useful if, for example, VKU with driving is completed for a Saturday morning before the practical test with the driver. The second course (I haven't attended it yet) doesn't make any sense for me at all, if I want to drive in an environmentally conscious way, I can get information. I think it's the responsibility of each individual driver.

I think the courses are way too expensive. Besides, I think the first day of the course could still be exciting but not necessary. I think the second day is totally unnecessary.

I find the skid and full braking courses particularly important, as they often deal with everyday situations that everyone will experience at some point. However, the points of braking distance theory and keeping a distance, analysing the risks of accidents and driving alcohol and drugs are less relevant, as they are also dealt with in the course of traffic education. Analysing the driving style can be very good, but it would be better to do so shortly before the end of the 3-year trial period, as the driving style can change a lot, especially at the beginning. You can also look at environmentally friendly driving.

I find the price absolutely exaggerated, as a student I will hardly be able to afford it and the enormous amount also clouds the view of the really important topics of the course. This discourages young drivers without a fixed income and spoils the fun of (safe) driving!

I think that certain parts of the course are useful. On the other hand, much of the transport education is repeated, which is actually already tested in the theoretical examination. In this way, much of what should be clear to everyone is repeated too often. I also think that the prices are set far too high. On the one hand, I can't imagine that a theory day can be so expensive (see prices for emergency helpers) and on the other hand, you have to bring your own car for the practical part. So the suppliers don't run the risk that any furniture you have to pay for will be damaged in any way. Moreover, every car is already insured. The reason for such high prices seems to be the fact that the prices are compulsory and that the suppliers seem to be taking advantage of their monopoly position. In any other sector, the Competition Commission would react immediately because of unfair competition and severe disadvantage to the consumer. Apparently this is simply dropped under the carpet, as the brother of WEKO is the UVEK, which prescribes the courses. It's nice that you can vent your justified anger!

On the whole, only the first course is partly useful, the rest is an unnecessary repetition of traffic knowledge, the second day of the course could be completely eliminated from my mind, as I do not believe that drivers can be told whether they should drive fuel-efficient or not. Especially since this is not feasible in reality. In addition, I would also be in favour of the "old hands" in road traffic, i.e. road users from 60 years of age, also these courses are, in my opinion, a greater risk than the new drivers.

The second day of the course is superfluous. I can also ask two colleagues to give me a feedback on my driving style for free!!! I don't need two students to pay to judge me.

I think the first day of the course is very important for young drivers, as many people overestimate themselves and don't take the dangers seriously. However, the second course should be voluntary. The course costs should also be a little lower, as many young adults don't have enough cash and perhaps don't have parents to support them. The test itself and even after the test are otherwise very expensive.

I find that the wab courses bring something but they are very expensive and you have to take a free in the bude that find not good. everything you learn there is not so much because there you expect the car to break out and you try to control but when it happens on the road there you have a different reaction and you expect the car to break out

I find the cost of the two courses far too high.

I don't like the WAB courses for the reason that they deal with topics that are completely clear to someone with common sense and that - at least in my driving lessons - have also been looked at over and over again. I really don't have the feeling that, for example, those who have been driving with alcohol a number of times will no longer (or at least less) do so after the course. In the end, it's a pity about the time spent by the instructors and the students and bad for the wallet.

The courses are a good thing and should definitely be maintained. It would be desirable if every person wishing to keep their ID card would have to refresh their knowledge in such a course every five years, throughout their lives.

I loved the first day of the course. Personally, I didn't know how to react in a situation in which I was skidding with the vehicle. Since this was discussed and tried out on the first day, I was able to learn a lot. However, the second day of the course is completely unnecessary. Of course it is interesting to hear how to drive environmentally friendly. However, the test drive was much too short (30 minutes driving in a whole day is just too little for the price I had to pay for the course!) and the topic of environmentally friendly driving could also be incorporated into the VKU. Conclusion: The first day of the course should be kept in my opinion, because it makes a lot of sense, the second day of the course is not absolutely necessary.

I think the things that you learn in the first WAB course are very important, but you get to know them really well already in the field of transport science. That's why I think both WAB courses are completely pointless.

I think you should do more practical exercises in the courses. E.g. correct evasive manoeuvres with animals etc. For me, the theoretical part belongs in the driving lessons. It makes absolutely no sense if the "apprentices" are only made aware of "drugs and alcohol in road traffic" at the end. Perhaps you should also reduce the number of participants in the courses a bit. This would give the instructor more time to deal with the "apprentices" more intensively and in more detail. To be honest: the practical part is also much more fun to get to know the limits of your car (if any!). Another thing: For the two days I had to pay over Fr.800.-!!! Sorry, but that is absolutely exaggerated.

Since I am not familiar with the WAB courses, I have estimated their importance, etc. on the basis of the advertised content. Of course, I cannot judge whether this is actually offered in this way.

I actually think the subjects are very important, but we could cut them a lot short and, above all, offer them much cheaper. It is difficult to afford that at a young age!

Rip-off, just way too expensive for the benefit

Although I find the contents of the courses important, for me the two days of the course are nonetheless unnecessary and simply an extra money for the examiners to the already too expensive exam!! In two days nobody changes his driving style because someone says he is bad. At least not after the practical exam, they might make a little sense before the exam (but it's just too expensive!), but everyone I know is just sitting out those two days because it has to be.

Certain topics such as keeping a distance, braking distance and above all the skidding course are very useful to me. I also find this okee for practice. But I find the 2nd WAB totally superfluous! Besides, it's much too expensive, because the young drivers usually don't have enough money to spare anyway.

Suggestion how about these WAB courses become compulsory only for new drivers who are noticed negatively in road traffic. Because those who make an effort to drive a clean and decent car will have taken that most have already automatically taken away from driving lessons. And the courses are far too expensive, as most new drivers do not yet have a very high salary.

The courses are pure money-making. Before the exam, it would be useful. And above all it would be wiser if older generations would learn these things, drive economically, etc. after all they have never saved on fuel or CO2, or paid so much for driving!!! As a service technician I am on the road all day in Switzerland, see enough that would make sense.

If there is a driver's license on trial, I think people who have driven for 20 years should have a driver's license on trial every 10 years for one year, because many people drive more carelessly/semi-correctly with time. If this is not introduced, a driver's license on trial should not be compulsory for new drivers.

A lot of things have already been discussed with me in the VKU before I got my driver's license. I don't see why I have to do the same thing again for two days.

Was hit by a lorry as he tried to change to my lane. It was about 5 weeks after my test. My mother was sitting next to me. She has had her driver's license for a very long time and had not seen the accident coming. Otherwise, there have been no other incidents so far. Furthermore, I find the two days of the course absolutely overpriced. The emergency card is about the same length and costs about a fifth. On top of that, you have to come in your own car, which I find a bit tricky to experiment with, because I think most people don't come in their own car.

I think that only the skidding course really makes sense. You cannot practise it otherwise. Everything else should be learnt in the driving lessons. I do not think that the two days will help new drivers to drive better.

I don't think it's fair that you have to pay such an expensive course as an apprentice with a (very) small salary. If it's compulsory, shouldn't it be so expensive or should driving be allowed only for those who have well-off parents?

As already answered in question 10, in my opinion the WAB courses should be reduced to one day and included in the driving training. Feeback one gets but eigenltich as soon as the test is passed, with the topic drugs one is confronted in everyday life enough, as well as the full brake and braking distance is practiced and treated enough in driving lessons and so I do not see it, why one should treat this again.

On the whole, driving training is very expensive, especially for pupils.

I think it's important to keep the first course, but the second course is totally unnecessary.

I find the fact that the driver's license is invalid and you have to start all over again, "learn" and pay for EVERYTHING if the courses are not completed before the end of the probationary period......how can I say, shit! Because the courses are often fully booked and just way too expensive for younger drivers and students. Otherwise, I think it is very good after the test, if you are already more skilled and experienced in driving, do the skidding course, I think it is good to get to know yourself and the car in different driving conditions.

I find these courses just money-making!!

It would be better if there was a compulsory continuing education course, but you could choose from an offer which is most important to you...

If I think it is possible, the second MCA course should be abolished. I think the first MCA course is useful.

I also find other courses tcs should be anerkant or made with the insurances cumulier cash I have attended a tcs course that I come in the stage heunter with the insurance and that does not apply to this course I find that you could also claim... handles partly the same topics and far praxis is believable at tcs better represented...like the cantonal courses...

I think the two course days could also be reduced to one, because many things are repeated hundreds of times, and many things that have been said several times in the VKUs.

I think the courses make sense, especially to keep to the distance and test the braking distance. but the price they cost is too high and unfair if new drivers have to pay. who else should pay for it are the speed buses. with the speed buses the courses should be paid for, I think. -->increase of speed buses. the voucher from bijouteria I find totally useless! rather from mediamarkt get a voucher would be more appropriate

The first course I find very important the 2nd course you could cut a little at the first course ... If the course is a little longer would no one be angry..

Basically, I think the WAB courses, especially the first WAB course, are not bad. However, I think the price/performance ratio is completely unbalanced. The 700.- is a lot of money for most new drivers, which is an impudence when you consider how much it costs to drive a car.

The subjects are not equally important for all participants. For a 25-year-old, the subject of drugs and so on is not so important, for an 18-year-old it is. And if you have driving lessons, then a real whiplash course with snow and ice! Because you only learn that when it really snows and then it may be too late.

I wouldn't think the whole price thing was bad if they were just about half the price. It's another fucking money-making! (Excuse my choice of words!)

700.- is too much money for many people.

I think it's good to see how your car behaves when wet and smooth on the first day of the course. I think it's important to be able to test it in a safe environment. So you are at best a little "prepared" for the possible road conditions - e.g. in winter - and know about how to behave.

I don't think the courses are bad, how relevant they really are and how much they bring you I can't judge yet because I haven't done them yet. However, I think the courses are much too expensive. The driver shouldn't be "punished" for something meaningful.

It's pure money-making. The courses are unnecessary. Practically one in two new drivers is still in training and has too little money.

As I see it, if someone wants to learn something, he learns something in the wab-courses, but just because you have to attend the course does not mean that everyone takes up the topics and e.g. because driving style or the consumption of alcohol etc, refrain from, when they are at the wheel. I would find it more useful if you for example let these wab courses, but instead of 4 vku's 5 or 6 vku's make and the 2 wab courses in these 4 hours or so would take, or even that you look at these things with the instructor specifically. I would also consider it useful, if you had to do another course (repeat course or something) after 10 or 20 years driver's license.

super swiss regulations so that a few people are unemployed so pledge almost have a monopoly and are only outrageously expensive.... report my sister: 2 course leader 15 course participants course day 1 15 x 350 chf 4750chf divided by 2 experts 2375franks, horny day wage.... urgently cut or abolish ... I find it more sensible from the insurances to explain if you voluntarily make NEN skidding course your premium drops as I did at the time with the winterthur.

Courses are certainly an important part of driving training, even if I didn't learn much about them, but for others it was certainly new. I think that especially "young drivers who are more risk-averse" will be better sensitised. Unfortunately, even then, we will not be able to prevent all reckless accidents, because to do so we would simply have to ban certain people from driving altogether. Perhaps additional training or stricter requirements (e.g. cancellation of tickets even in the event of minor accidents when acting recklessly) would be needed for "risk groups" (however they are defined).

It's a good approach in itself. But it's not acceptable that after the theory test and the VKU, you have to hear for the third time that you should drive slowly in wet conditions and not drink at the wheel. I think that kind of thing makes sense to even the most underexposed people. Skid training, on the other hand, is a sensible thing to do.

think,...the courses are all about money,.... turnover,......you learn it anyway in driving school,.....everyone knows how to drive,pay more or less,.....it is probably only up to the person,......when is the reason present,.....unfortunately not always

distance=safety;)

How about proper driving safety training? Skidding courses and the like? I can also provide a selection of courses, and everyone can decide for themselves, but they have to provide proof.

It would be more like money-making. If so, the subjects should be dealt with when you learn to drive. After all, you already pay a certain amount for the driving lessons. It would be much more important to have a vision test every five years. Many road users see poorly or even too poorly. Nobody cares anymore after you have taken the driving test.

Make young people aware that lawn, alcohol and drugs are dangerous at the wheel, pay more attention to vehicle handling instead of driving environmentally conscious. For older people e.g. over 60 also regularly force such courses to close (almost the greater danger than boys)

I think it's good that new drivers have the ID card on a trial basis. The only disadvantages are: the extra costs of applying for the definitive ID card etc. and, of course, the fact that within these three years you're classified much too high in the insurance, so you can hardly pay for it...

I think it makes sense to show how the car behaves in different situations: ice, snow... In addition, driver training should focus more on how to react to "accidents" (e.g. when two cars collide and a metal damage occurs..) and what to do. Or just learning how to use the car in general -- how to fill up, how to change oil. These practical things, I think, are far too short. You're just learning how to drive and behave in traffic. But for me, driving is much more than that.

Theory of the 1st day of the course is (too) much repetition of the obligatory VKU. Price is very high, although you have to go with your own car (not everyone has easy access to a car, which again causes extra costs)

Useful, but the courses are way too expensive!

I find the courses absolutely too expensive! Especially for young people, who nowadays have to pay attention to money anyway. The first course was very good in my opinion. Especially important nowadays is the topic of distance!!! This is not at all clear to many people! All the other topics were very exciting and helpful. The second course is, in my opinion, very unnecessary. In my opinion, it has absolutely no impact on accident prevention. At least one day of the course should be retained and part of it should be included in the driving school. A course for 'older' drivers would be almost even more sensible.

You should shorten it to one day, look at the braking distances in the morning, together with the skid track, and in the afternoon the environmentally friendly driving... Then the costs for one day (around 350.-, but as a total) are also more bearable... I like the principle of the wab courses good, but topics like alcohol and drugs are commonly known, and depending on the person, therefore not to be included in the course... The driving analysis is a good thing for the driver, but it didn't help me at all, because I still have my habits, and safer driving comes with experience, not from a single feedback after the car test...

WAB courses are the biggest waste of time and money ever forced upon me!!!

Even older people should have to attend the courses once whether WAB or VKU. Not only new drivers.

I find the courses too expensive. since most of them are in teaching. my environment, who have attended the courses, are all disappointed with the content of the materials and the money.

During the driving lessons as well as Vku courses, all these topics are taught to the learner theoretically as well as practically. I therefore find it unnecessary that these topics are explained again and again from the beginning with x examples. In addition, for these courses you have to take 1-2 days off, which I find very uneconomical.

All these topics, which seem important to me, had already been repeated in the emergency room and in the VKU. Also a prevention training at our school (BBZ Schaffhausen) these topics were taken up again. So slowly enough. Only to spend money these courses are. Absolutely unnecessary. Because of the eco-driving, everyone has to know for themselves whether they want to save fuel or not. I find these courses much too expensive, since most are still in training or further education and earn very little anyway.

I have not yet taken a course, but I have heard almost nothing good about it. I am certainly looking forward to learning new things, even if it costs a little. Good information about the dangers is very important today. Especially among young people, who always feel they can do anything anyway.

the course is just money-making!

I think it's easy for older people to learn how to drive ecologically. We (after the test) learn how to drive ecologically...

Many of the points mentioned under 9. are integrated into my driving lessons (e.g. braking distance, environmentally friendly driving)

The driving training is an absolute money-making!

With the ticket on trial one is more careful, but at the same time also a little under pressure (stressed), because one can "lose" it quite quickly.

More and more hurdles, more and more harassment, more and more expensive. The risk of accidents, drugs, braking distances and so on are all already present in the VKU. Feedback on driving style comes from the driving instructor, from the experts at the test and after the test of passengers.

The WAB courses are far too expensive for what they offer. A well-trained instructor can incorporate this into his driving lesson. Above all, drivers should be penalised more for the consequences of an accident while using a mobile phone.

I think the topics that are dealt with in the much too expensive WAB courses should be dealt with in the practical driving training beforehand. What is the use of analysing the risks of accidents 2 or 3 years after obtaining the ID? Because most people postpone attending the courses, some of the courses are only attended in the 3rd year. It should be dealt with already in driving training with the instructor.

I do not think it is a bad thing that the MCAs are intended to make the roads safer. Firstly, though, the courses are FAR too expensive. They should be better subsidised. It felt like making money. Secondly, there was definitely too much time for the content. The whole thing could be done in a day at most.

The course makes a lot of sense, but it would be good to pack it up in one day if you left out a few things. A lot of things, like drinking at the wheel or calculating the braking distance, have already been discussed in the VKU. On these days, only the practical things with the vehicle should be dealt with.

Since I've never been to a WAB course, there's not much I can say about it. It's the first time I've heard about it.

If you have a lot of driving experience, you will have fewer accidents. Courses have no effect, as content is often forgotten quickly. Only personal experience can reduce the risk of accidents.

Reduction to one day and discount.

The topics are important, but they have already been discussed theoretically in VKU, and some of them have been pointed out by the driving instructor. I don't see any added value.

VKU is completely sufficient

I have a category A1 driving licence .

The courses should be financed by the state. Young people often do not have the money to pay for these courses. Driving training itself costs a lot, and since the courses are really a good thing, it would be a good investment for the state in road safety.

Most of the subjects are important and make sense. But most of the subjects have already been covered in transport science or theory. If you are not interested in it, you will learn nothing afterwards. If you have already learned it, you will get little from the courses.

I find the financial aspects of this training unsustainable, especially for students like me. The driving test and the associated courses and driving lessons have already cost enough. And since my instructor has already covered the topics of the first day of the course + economical driving during the driving lessons, I can look forward to about 70% repetition for 700 CHF. That excites me. However, I find the whiplash course useful. Because I have already twice considered the dangers of wet leaves or altered road surface - admittedly included, but underestimated. (not an accident, but had a pig)

I think that the subjects taught in the WAB courses should be included in the driving lessons, so that people do not have to attend these courses afterwards. The courses are far too expensive, and you do not learn much, because you only go because you have to go and not because you want to learn something.

For me, pure money-making. We already pay unbelievably much, every form has to be paid, the driving hours are extremely expensive ect.

I think the courses make people aware of many things that they have not questioned enough. Correct behaviour in certain situations should be instilled in the driver's mind and helps to ensure a safe flow of traffic.

I think it's good to do the first wab-course NOT in the first 12 months. Because right after the test, most people drive cautiously anyway. If you start to get cocky after a few months, you forget relevant points like braking distance, speed and concentration. So don't do the wab-course in the first 12 months!

The actual purpose of these courses would not be bad, the execution is a little questionable. The practical parts (e.g. full braking, skidding, etc.) are useful because they cannot be practiced otherwise. However, the theoretical part is a waste of time, because 90% is already covered in the compulsory VKU courses (drinking, drugs, etc.) The courses are very long and could be shortened without any problems (half an hour of introductions, who is interested?)

The wab course destroys the finances of the young people totally It is a money-making of the traffic authority and the states The driving behaviour will not be influenced by the wab course Just because it is so expensive and because it takes so long to complete it

I find the wab courses much too expensive, I would understand yes if I would get on both course days a car voh them that it is 700 francs but so that I have to come with my private car un because still so much bezahenn for me scho is partly a cheek!

Because driving can also be dangerous for other people, I think it makes sense to have a regular check of driving ability. It doesn't have to be a test in the strict sense of the word, but courses or test drives with a driving instructor (including feedback!) would be good for everyone.

I enjoyed the first WAB course and thought it was well organised. However, I think the contents could be integrated into the driving lessons if they are not already included. The course days are far too expensive and for young people in training/students it is a small fortune!

The courses are good but absolutely too expensive. The ecological driving could also be included in the driving lessons so only complete one more course. There, however, again approach it. e.g. group. Thus the one driving (braking distance, wet road) and the other half can make theory. So everyone gets to drive more often on the course.

I am a farmer, that means I have been on the road with heavy vehicles since I was a child, I drive very safely and fluidly with my car. I have the days ahead of me, but I know from friends what is offered so, and I have absolutely no desire to take 2 days off for this idle run. Please manage ap.

The idea of another driving lesson after one or two years is, in principle, a good one. But I think it is wrong to implement it. I also think that proper whiplash training would be very important.

I find it very unfortunate that these courses are so expensive, they are obligatory. if an apprentice (yes APPRENTICE OR EVEN STUDENT, who by the way do not earn much or nothing) is dependent on the car because you live somewhere where the train connections are miserable, I find it a cheek to ask the young people so much money!! And besides, if someone is racing, they're still racing even if they've taken 100 of these stupid courses...

I think the courses are, above all, money-making! To make matters worse, you have your own car or, of course, have to hire a car at an extra cost. For someone like me, who has a driving licence, primarily for safety reasons, and who does not own a car, this is just a nuisance! A great deal of content could be integrated into the transport lessons and thus the WAB courses could be reduced to a maximum of one course day.

Safety & co are very, very important, but I think the training is far too expensive, so the WAB course should be integrated into the theoretical or practical training.

I think the trial card is very useful. I think the first edition should be reconsidered. On the other hand, I think the second edition (that if you are guilty twice, you will definitely not get the card and you will have to start again) is appropriate. As I myself have been able to observe, this is one measure (punishment) that makes a new driver think.

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